[6863] in APO Printshop
Re: Keeping the Vise on the Work Table
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Leonard H Tower Jr.)
Fri Aug 28 21:40:42 2015
Date: Fri, 28 Aug 2015 21:40:38 -0400 (EDT)
From: "Leonard H Tower Jr." <tower@alum.mit.edu>
To: Victoria Xiao <vxiao@mit.edu>
cc: "benazeer@gmail.com" <benazeer@gmail.com>,
Margaret R Walker <mrwalker@mit.edu>,
"ccrazy@panix.com" <ccrazy@panix.com>,
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Vicki:
Date: Mon, 24 Aug 2015 11:14:54 -0400
From: Victoria Xiao <vxiao@mit.edu>
To: "benazeer@gmail.com" <benazeer@gmail.com>,
"tower@alum.mit.edu" <tower@alum.mit.edu>
Cc: Margaret R Walker <mrwalker@mit.edu>,
"ccrazy@panix.com" <ccrazy@panix.com>,
APO Office Manger <apo-om@mit.edu>, APO Press <apo-printshop@mit.edu=
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Subject: Re: Keeping the Vise on the Work Table
Hi Len et al.,
I reversed your paragraphs.
Also, if the paper cutter is not in good shape we=E2=80=99ll grunge it. =
I
don=E2=80=99t have the time or know-how to repair it and I don=E2=80=99t=
think
that=E2=80=99s particularly expensive anyways. As for the hand-turned
pencil sharpener, we can try to relocate it if you really still
want to use it.
In replying to Benazeer's message about the paper cutter, I believe I
answered the paper cutter issue.
Yes, the pencil sharpener could be elsewhere.
Not easy to use a paper cutter at a lower height.
Anything else about this paragraph's of yours?
We are trying to get rid of the table the vise is on because while
square footage-wise it is small, it is inconveniently placed and we
just don=E2=80=99t have the room for it right now. We=E2=80=99ve agreed =
as an exec
team that not having it would be better for the office. Is it not
possible to replace it with a sawhorse-type worktable that can be
disassembled when not in use?
Best,
Vicki
Vicki:
* It's appears that you have not been understanding what I've emailed
you about how this vise/worktable is used. Lot's of my time gone
forever, wasted, in the 3 or 4 prior replies, where I elaborate on
what is needed. My time is VERY PRECIOUS to me.
* I offered several times to meet with you about this in the APOffice.
Face2face has more bandwidth, and usually works much quicker than
email exchanges. You choose not to.
Also being briefed as Press Shop Manager.
Also discussing the reorg. In the past, when the actives choose to
seek my thoughts on a reorg, a better result has always happened.
Improvements that neither I nor the actives had foreseen, usually
done after I left the process/conversation. (Of course, it might
not in the future, but wider perspectives usually result in better
solutions.)
* AX wants me involved with maintaining & repairing the presses and
shop, but too often doesn't show the other side of that: respect for
my knowledge and experience you want me to use to help you.
* And supposedly we are brothers.
Let me try again:
* The worktable/vise has been all over the front APOffice. With the
vise side on a "corridor", and where it's not too difficult to make
some room around it. It ended up where it is now, during the last
move. It has had different things under each side ever since and
before that reorg.
It's more useful as near to the large press as possible in the
front APOffice. But that desired, not necessary.
* Let me add this. I emailed it to some sub-set of you at the beginning
of this, but ...
In the front APOffice, the press shop also has:
** a filing cabinet drawer full of supplies and documents in one
of the three four-drawer filing cabinets.
** a shelf for the Invitation Stock that had a 30" by 12"
footprint. The one that failed over a year ago. The last two
Press Shop Mangers have not replaced it, despite several
requests each. (More time gone forever.) Vicki has said she
will order replacement shelves after the reorg is done.
Located between the tall green chalkboard and an electrical
outlet on the yellow wall.
** a slot in the mailboxes by the door.
I hope that's everything. Anyone else think of something?
Having the Athena workstation in the APOffice, also helps me
document press use, and make training and qualifying runs easier
for me. I was glad when Nathan got it back up several years ago.
* The makes and models of folding/clamping work tables I've seen are
not up to what is needed for the press shop. I have used several,
and examined many. I have a Black & Decker model (I got when
someone moved) that is hard to use well even with lightweight
tasks, like sawing floor & ceiling moldings for a room. It's
become another storage table in my shop.
Vises come in a range of sizes. Near the small end, ones for
repairing watches and their sub-assemblies. Near the large end,
vises use in large shops that build things like diesel railroad
engines/locomotives, often larger than the APOffice.
Vises need to be stable to work. That can involve weight of what
they are mounted on, being held against a wall, being physically
attached to a wall or the floor (the CAC would say no to the floor,
and I agree - would compromise the cantilever structural integrity,
as well as introducing a chance of concrete falling down (And the
next reorg, the brothers would probably want the vise elsewhere)),
etc. And there are other requirements, like clamping force.
The worktable with the vise we have now, is barley adequate for how
it has been used. What would be adequate isn't possible.
The press and it's parts weight a lot. The press is made of heavy
iron. The folding worktables are not strong enough or stable
enough to deal with that weight. Etc.
Waiting to see if this black hole is going to destroy more of my time.
-len
From: Benazeer Noorani <benazeer@gmail.com<mailto:benazeer@gmail.com>>
Date: Monday, August 24, 2015 at 10:53 AM
To: "tower@alum.mit.edu<mailto:tower@alum.mit.edu>" <tower@alum.mit.edu<=
mailto:tower@alum.mit.edu>>
Cc: Victoria Xiao <vxiao@mit.edu<mailto:vxiao@mit.edu>>, Margaret R
Walker <mrwalker@mit.edu<mailto:mrwalker@mit.edu>>,
"ccrazy@panix.com<mailto:ccrazy@panix.com>"
<ccrazy@panix.com<mailto:ccrazy@panix.com>>, APO Office Manger
<apo-om@mit.edu<mailto:apo-om@mit.edu>>, APO Press
<apo-printshop@mit.edu<mailto:apo-printshop@mit.edu>>
Subject: Re: Keeping the Vise on the Work Table
For what it's worth, the paper cutter is in bad disrepair. I tried
using it to cut some cardstock last summer, and even exercising all
possible care with the tool, it just shredded my paper and made me
nervous about my personal safety. I wouldn't use it on anything I
was giving to a printshop customer. If I recall my long-ago active
days correctly, it was in bad disrepair circa 2001-2005 as well.
--Benazeer
On Sun, Aug 23, 2015 at 11:52 PM, Leonard H. Tower Jr. <tower@alum.mit.e=
du<mailto:tower@alum.mit.edu>> wrote:
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2015 14:35:03 -0400
From: Victoria Xiao <vxiao@mit.edu<mailto:vxiao@mit.edu>>
To: "tower@alum.mit.edu<mailto:tower@alum.mit.edu>" <tower@alum.mit.e=
du<mailto:tower@alum.mit.edu>>
Cc: Margaret R Walker
<mrwalker@mit.edu<mailto:mrwalker@mit.edu>>,
"apo-om@mit.edu<mailto:apo-om@mit.edu>"
<apo-om@mit.edu<mailto:apo-om@mit.edu>>
Subject: Re: Things to consider in rearranging the APOffice
Hi Len,
To answer your questions:
*In your other email, you mentioned the vise and. .... 2) The
vise as it is right now is not great for office space. We will
probably be moving it and the paper cutter; let=C2=B9s talk more abou=
t
what surfaces can be used with the vise, but the one it is on right
now is not great for the front office.
Best,
Vicki
My memory is that Vicki & I had at least one more pair of exchanges
about the Vice on the Worktable. I couldn't find them. She doesn't
want the worktable to stay in the APOffice. She suggested that we just
move the vise to another surface along with the paper cutter and the
pencil sharpener. Which isn't safe.
Use of a vise is necessary and essential to maintain and repair the
press shop equipment. It's useful at times for other things.
To be useful for press maintenance, and for most use:
* the vise needs to be near the height it is now. That is, it needs to
be mounted at a height so it can be used while standing. It is
unsafe to use it at a lower height. It is unsafe to use it seated or
bent over. None of the other surfaces in the front APOffice are high
enough.
* the surface the vice is mounted on has to be thick, and material has
able to hold bolts under force over time. The 'table' has to be
sturdy. The object in the vise has to be held well and steadily. If
the surface is thin or weak, it's possible for the vice to detach
suddenly, which is not safe.
* there has to be a certain amount of working room, around it. But
that can be created on the fly, depending on how the vise is used.
The hand-turned pencil sharpener on the worktable is superior to the
electric one. You can get a sharper point with less loss of pencil with
it. It could be relocated.
It's easiest to use the paper cutter standing up at the height of the
worktable. It could be moved elsewhere.
The worktable only takes 10 (ten) square feet of floor space.
The front APOffice has over 630 square feet of floor space, which APO
has over 80%.
So the worktable takes up about 2% (two%) of the floor space APO has.
AX can't afford that floor space?
We had a lengthy in-depth discussion about this in 2011(?). The last
time the APOffice was rearranged. Many options were considered. We
settled for leaving the vice on the worktable in the front APOffice. I
could spend the time to dig that out, but time is so precious for me
since the head trauma. If needed, could someone else dif it out?
I hope a way can be found to keep the vise on the worktable in the
APOffice. The top of the table can also be used for other things and
tasks. The space under could be continue to be used other storage,
perhaps the ritual equipment..
yiLFS -len
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