[170170] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Mar 24 21:34:32 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAOb1_VMk3i45aTqBbxeSmPKtuX6yyAXBGvSAUt0arXufB0=Fpw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:10:45 -0700
To: Bryan Socha <bryan@digitalocean.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Let=92s assume, for a moment, that there are 32 /8s out there that could =
be reclaimed.
Let=92s further assume that renumbering out of a /8 takes, on average, =
about 18 months.
(That=92s moving almost 1,000,000 customers per month on average, =
potentially).
Even if we got all 32 /8 equivalents back over the next 18 months, it =
would only buy
us approximately 2 years of additional IPv4 life-span when divvied up =
among APNIC,
RIPE, etc.
The IPv4 situation is not artificial. IPv4 is being maintained well past =
its useful life
at great cost.
Owen
On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:30 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan@digitalocean.com> wrote:
> Oh btw, how many ipv4s are you hording with zero justification to keep
> them? I was unpopular during apricot for not liking the idea of =
no
> liability leasing of v4. I don't like this artificial v4 situation
> every eyeball network created. Why is v4 a commodity and asset? =
Where
> is the audits. I can justify my 6 /14s, can you still?
> On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and
>> XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate.
>> (And don't forget utilization efficiency - Millions of IPs is not
>> millions of customers served.)
>>=20
>> Do IPv6.
>> /TJ
>>=20
>> On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan@digitalocean.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the =
rirs
>> will
>>> run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites.
>>> Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 =
for
>> no
>>> spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS =
exist,
>>> there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
>>=20
