[170187] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Mar 24 21:48:19 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAOb1_VN31jpc8=+Ut2uMjujuhGv4GQ=gQA1msfZcxnbMCYEq9A@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:07:13 -0700
To: Bryan Socha <bryan@digitalocean.com>
Cc: nanog list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
In order for IPv6 to truly work, everyone needs to be moving towards =
IPv6.
Maintaining dual protocols for the entire internet is problematic, =
wasteful, and horribly
inefficient at best. Bottom line, the internet outgrew IPv4 almost 30 =
years ago and
we=92ve been using various hacks like NAT as a sort of IPv4 life-support =
ever since.
Ask any doctor about the prospects for a patient on life support for =
years at a time
and they will probably laugh at you. Patients rarely survive more than a =
few days
on life support, let alone weeks, months, or even years.
Yes, we=92ve done really well with internet life support. So well that =
many have been
lulled into a false sense of safety believing that these extreme =
measures can be
continued indefinitely and scaled well beyond their breaking points.
There is little visibility into the escalating cost and complexity of =
these measures
and even less awareness of the relative ease of deploying IPv6 compared =
to most
of these mechanisms.
Owen
On Mar 22, 2014, at 2:25 AM, Bryan Socha <bryan@digitalocean.com> wrote:
> Fair point. There are some situations that do need more than most, =
but
> aren't they the ones that should be on ipv6 already???????
>=20
> I know a few are shouldn't I be on ipv6 and that's fair too. I'm
> plqnnning some speaking engagements to cover that. Its not blind and
> ignoring.
> On Mar 22, 2014 4:36 AM, "TJ" <trejrco@gmail.com> wrote:
>=20
>> Millions of IPs don't matter in the face of X billions of people, and
>> XX-XXX billions of devices - and this is just the near term estimate.
>> (And don't forget utilization efficiency - Millions of IPs is not
>> millions of customers served.)
>>=20
>> Do IPv6.
>> /TJ
>>=20
>> On Mar 22, 2014 3:09 AM, "Bryan Socha" <bryan@digitalocean.com> =
wrote:
>>>=20
>>> As someone growing in the end of ipv4, its all fake. Sure, the =
rirs
>> will
>>> run out, but that's boring. Don't believe the fake auction sites.
>>> Fair price of IP at the end is $1 for bad Rep $2 for barely used, $3 =
for
>> no
>>> spam and $4 for legacy. Stop the inflation. Millions of IPS =
exist,
>>> there is no shortage and don't lie for rirs with IPS left.
>>=20
