[170164] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: misunderstanding scale (was: Ipv4 end, its fake.)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Mon Mar 24 21:31:47 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <20140322195704.15285.qmail@joyce.lan>
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2014 17:42:23 -0700
To: John Levine <johnl@iecc.com>
Cc: nanog@nanog.org
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
IPv4 has already been trading around $10/address.
So the prices quoted a while back don=92t make much sense to me.
Further, could you please quantify =93vast=94? How many /8 equivalents =
in
a =93vast number=94?
Until they ran out, APNIC was issuing approximately 1.5 /8s per month.
How long, exactly, do you expect 3.2 billion unicast addresses to =
provide
enough addressing for 6.8+ billion people?
Owen
On Mar 22, 2014, at 12:57 PM, John Levine <johnl@iecc.com> wrote:
>> In such a case, where you are still pushing the case for=20
>> IPv4, how do you envisage things will look on your side when=20
>> everybody else you want to talk to is either on IPv6, or=20
>> frantically getting it turned up? Do you reckon anyone will=20
>> have time to help you troubleshoot patchy (for example) IPv4=20
>> connectivity when all the focus is on IPv6?
>=20
> I've put that concern on my calendar for sometime around 2025.
>=20
> People have been saying switch to IPv6 now Now NOW for about a decade,
> and you can only cry wolf so many times. My servers do IPv6 through a
> tunnel from HE (thanks!) where the performance is only somewhat worse
> than the native v4, and my home cable has v6 that mostly works, but
> the key term there is mostly. (The ISP had a fairly bad internal
> routing bug which apparently nobody noticed until I tracked down why
> my v6 connectivity was flaky, and I happened to know some senior
> people at the ISP who could understand what I was telling them about
> their internal routers.)
>=20
> We've just barely started to move from the era of free IPv4 to the one
> where you have to buy it, and from everyhing I see, there is vast
> amounts of space that will be available once people realize they can
> get real money for it. The prices cited a couple of messages back
> seem to be in the ballpark. It will be a long time before the price
> of v4 rises high enough to make it worth the risk of going v6 only.
>=20
> R's,
> John
>=20
>=20
