[162894] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Warren Bailey)
Mon May 6 14:39:48 2013
From: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
To: "goemon@anime.net" <goemon@anime.net>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 18:39:25 +0000
In-Reply-To: <Pine.LNX.4.64.1305061127500.9027@sasami.anime.net>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Reply-To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
Abuse is abuse.. People are going to do bad things, even when you call them=
illegal (in some cases, as a result of calling them illegal). It's not ill=
egal to be a tool, but it is illegal to break a law. In my opinikn Laws nee=
d to be written and passed, not thought about and argued over. If we are go=
ing to arbitrarily make our own laws, why don't we start at something coole=
r than preventing a guy announcing someone's Internet addresses? I understa=
nd the magnitude of these actions, but at some point we need to pay attenti=
on to things outside of /dev/internet. Again.. I'm not saying these hijack=
ers aren't pricks, I'm saying that stealing an AS number shouldn't be illeg=
al - committing a crime with information gained should be (and is). It's no=
t that I don't care, I just don't care that MUCH.
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
-------- Original message --------
From: goemon@anime.net
Date: 05/06/2013 11:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Cc: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>,Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.K=
letnieks@vt.edu>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 =
and AS57954 (in ukraine)
if anyone wondered why abuse goes unchecked, wonder no longer.
-Dan
On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
> +1
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> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
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> -------- Original message --------
> From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> Date: 05/06/2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
> Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Adam Vitkovsky=
<adam.vitkovsky@swan.sk>,Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>,NANOG <nanog@nano=
g.org>
> Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS4298=
9 and AS57954 (in ukraine)
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> On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu<mailto:Valdis.K=
letnieks@vt.edu>> wrote:
> On Mon, 06 May 2013 15:27:35 -0000, Warren Bailey said:
>> Illegal or undesired?
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> This sort of stuff comes in two flavors: "typo" and "intentionally done
> in furtherance of criminal activities".
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> The fact that an AS number and matching IP range are involved tends to sa=
y it's
> not a typo.
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> maybe warren's question is better stated: "Please point to relevant legal=
code in the jurisdiction(s) which are relevant." (if you feel this is 'ill=
egal', showing where in the relevant code(s) where this would be classified=
as such would help)
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> -chris
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