[162895] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42989 and
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Christopher Morrow)
Mon May 6 14:51:41 2013
In-Reply-To: <ww344v8pw3ah0c1lccgwo4pp.1367865562446@email.android.com>
Date: Mon, 6 May 2013 14:51:30 -0400
From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
Cc: "goemon@anime.net" <goemon@anime.net>, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 2:39 PM, Warren Bailey
<wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com> wrote:
>
> Abuse is abuse.. People are going to do bad things, even when you call th=
em illegal (in some cases, as a result of calling them illegal). It's not i=
llegal to be a tool, but it is illegal to break a law. In my opinikn Laws n=
eed to be written and passed, not thought about and argued over. If we are =
going to arbitrarily make our own laws, why don't we start at something coo=
ler than preventing a guy announcing someone's Internet addresses? I unders=
tand the magnitude of these actions, but at some point we need to pay atten=
tion to things outside of /dev/internet. Again.. I'm not saying these hija=
ckers aren't pricks, I'm saying that stealing an AS number shouldn't be ill=
egal - committing a crime with information gained should be (and is). It's =
not that I don't care, I just don't care that MUCH.
>
agreed, I wasn't of the opinion that the action was 'right', just that
calling it 'illegal' was quite a leap. I do think that putting effort
into making it significantly harder to 'hijack prefixes' is a good
thing, which is the reason I put effort into: tools.ietf.org/wg/sidr
pitching a fit from the sidelines isn't helpful, finding a way to keep
it from happening again/again/again at least tries to move the ball
forward.
-chris
>
> Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: goemon@anime.net
> Date: 05/06/2013 11:31 AM (GMT-08:00)
> To: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>
> Cc: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>,Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis=
.Kletnieks@vt.edu>,NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS4298=
9 and AS57954 (in ukraine)
>
>
> if anyone wondered why abuse goes unchecked, wonder no longer.
>
> -Dan
>
> On Mon, 6 May 2013, Warren Bailey wrote:
>
> > +1
> >
> >
> > Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device
> >
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: Christopher Morrow <morrowc.lists@gmail.com>
> > Date: 05/06/2013 9:29 AM (GMT-08:00)
> > To: Valdis Kletnieks <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu>
> > Cc: Warren Bailey <wbailey@satelliteintelligencegroup.com>,Adam Vitkovs=
ky <adam.vitkovsky@swan.sk>,Nick Hilliard <nick@foobar.org>,NANOG <nanog@na=
nog.org>
> > Subject: Re: Illegal usage of AS51888 (and PI 91.220.85.0/24) from AS42=
989 and AS57954 (in ukraine)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, May 6, 2013 at 12:23 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu<mailto:Valdis=
.Kletnieks@vt.edu>> wrote:
> > On Mon, 06 May 2013 15:27:35 -0000, Warren Bailey said:
> >> Illegal or undesired?
> >
> > This sort of stuff comes in two flavors: "typo" and "intentionally done
> > in furtherance of criminal activities".
> >
> > The fact that an AS number and matching IP range are involved tends to =
say it's
> > not a typo.
> >
> >
> > maybe warren's question is better stated: "Please point to relevant leg=
al code in the jurisdiction(s) which are relevant." (if you feel this is 'i=
llegal', showing where in the relevant code(s) where this would be classifi=
ed as such would help)
> >
> > -chris
> >
> >
> >
>
