[126977] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ISP Responsibilities [WAS: Re: Nato warns of strike against cyber
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Larry Sheldon)
Wed Jun 9 11:02:53 2010
Date: Wed, 09 Jun 2010 10:02:11 -0500
From: Larry Sheldon <LarrySheldon@cox.net>
To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <AANLkTimW-dA9fPMOh8oVYp00FwCm2pf1NYbOqtUQKP_Z@mail.gmail.com>
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On 6/9/2010 07:39, Jorge Amodio wrote:
>> 1. Should ISPs be responsible for abuse from within their customer base?
>
> Not sure, ISPs role is just to move packets from A to B, you need to
> clearly define what constitutes abuse and how much of it is considered
> a crime.
>
> If I call your home every five minutes to harass you over the phone is
> AT&T responsible ?
>
>> 1a. If so, how?
>
> Pull the plug without looking at how much you are billing.
I'd say pull the plug while watching the balance sheet.
I have no idea how many providers of netnews service there are left--not
many because they waited for somebody else to solve the problems. I
subscribe to one that rigorously polices spam and troll traffic (from
their own customers _and_from_the_world).
And for less than some of the other services. (They are associated with
a German University, I think, so there may be a subsidy issue. I would
pay several times as much as I do for the service--maybe an order of
magnitude more.)
> What incentive they have to do so ? and how liable they become if do
> something without a court order or such ?
Is "survival" an incentive?
>> Providers in the U.S. are the worst offenders of hosting/accommodating
>> criminal activities by Eastern European criminals. Period.
>
> Probably true, here money talks.
But it doesn't listen. It waits for the bailout.
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