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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Amanda Lowe)
Tue May 25 00:28:02 2004
Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 00:27:46 -0400
Reply-To: Amanda Lowe <lowean99@oneonta.edu>
From: Amanda Lowe <lowean99@oneonta.edu>
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
In-Reply-To: <SIMEON.10405242334.A@Naccarato.valpo.edu>
I do not believe we should be using "sister" as that was used to refer
to female brothers before they were allowed in. I am not a "sister" and
I do not want to be called one just because I am female. I am as much a
brother as any male in the organization and should be referred to
likewise. That's my 2 cents anyhow.
Amanda
"Phoenix"
Matthew Reynolds wrote:
>Please someone correct me if I am wrong, I don't have a copy in front of me, but I believe that in
>our Nationals By-Laws it states that all members of Alpha Phi Omega will be referred to as brothers
>without regard to gender. That being said, I can not agree with Robert's and other chapters
>changing the wording to "sisters". I also know for a fact that most of our female actives and
>alumni are proud to call themselves brothers.
>
>Just for the record, our chapter changed "Men of" to "True to".
>
>Matthew Reynolds
>Zeta Gamma, President
>Valparaiso University
>On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:34:42 -0500 "Robert A. Rescot" <rar016@mizzou.edu> wrote:
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>>Just 2¢ more on the toast song,
>>
>>My chapter has been singing for sometime (with varying degrees of
>>acceptance) "loyal members we... brothers clasp the hand of sisters...true
>>to Alpha Phi Omega may we always be..." our full version is on our chapter
>>website at HYPERLINK
>>"http://students.missouri.edu/~apo/toastsong.php"http://students.missouri.ed
>>u/~apo/toastsong.php if anyone is interested
>>
>>Robert Rescot
>>Beta Eta, President
>>University of Missouri - Columbia
>>Go Tigers!
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Alpha Phi Omega Discussion List [mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU] On
>>Behalf Of Michael Gallagher
>>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:16 PM
>>To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
>>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
>>
>>
>>But its bisyllabic whereas "men" is monosyllabic. that's why I recommend
>>"kin." Anybody agree? Those of you who disagree & haven't told me so &
>>why, feel free to send comments to me. My inbox is slowly decreasing in
>>size so I think it should be OK.
>>
>>----- Original Message -----
>>From: HYPERLINK "mailto:moonbug76@yahoo.com"Jason Rice
>>To: HYPERLINK "mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU"APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
>>Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:20 PM
>>Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
>>
>>Hmmm... just a thought on this comment, and nothing more; It seems that
>>'Brother' is a little different than 'men'.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>I have found a legal precedent, I believe, to removing "men" from the Toast
>>Song. This would not specify what should replace it. I was reading a
>>acquaintance brother's Web site, and this brother commented on how we our
>>Toast Song is always an issue. This brother linked to a CNN article
>>explaining a change removing "men" from the Naval Academy's Alma Mater. The
>>Academy went co-ed in 1976 just as we did, although I'm not sure relatively
>>when the first female enrolled. Here's the link:
>>
>>http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/20/naval.academy.song.ap/index.html
>>
>>Here's the supporting data (unfortunately, no decision came up in the
>>search, but the words are as the article says).
>>
>>http://www.usna.edu/USNABand/FAQ/Lyrics.htm#bluegold
>>
>>I know this seems a bit like the 1930s or 40s Miracle on 34th Street
>>reasoning, but if the Department of Defense makes such a change, shouldn't
>>we? After all, government changes have spurred actions by organizations in
>>reactin for a very long time. Case in point our own going co-ed.
>>
>>Michael Gallagher
>>Zeta Sigma Historian (& a Political Science major)
>>
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