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Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Robert A. Rescot)
Mon May 24 22:34:52 2004
Date: Mon, 24 May 2004 21:34:42 -0500
Reply-To: "Robert A. Rescot" <rar016@mizzou.edu>
From: "Robert A. Rescot" <rar016@mizzou.edu>
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Just 2=A2 more on the toast song,
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My chapter has been singing for sometime (with varying degrees of
acceptance) "loyal members we... brothers clasp the hand of =
sisters...true
to Alpha Phi Omega may we always be..." our full version is on our =
chapter
website at HYPERLINK
"http://students.missouri.edu/~apo/toastsong.php"http://students.missouri=
.ed
u/~apo/toastsong.php if anyone is interested
=20
Robert Rescot
Beta Eta, President
University of Missouri - Columbia
Go Tigers!
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On
Behalf Of Michael Gallagher
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:16 PM
To: APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
But its bisyllabic whereas "men" is monosyllabic. that's why I =
recommend
"kin." Anybody agree? Those of you who disagree & haven't told me so &
why, feel free to send comments to me. My inbox is slowly decreasing in
size so I think it should be OK.
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From: HYPERLINK "mailto:moonbug76@yahoo.com"Jason Rice=20
To: HYPERLINK "mailto:APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU"APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU=20
Sent: Monday, May 24, 2004 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: [APO-L] Toast Song
Hmmm... just a thought on this comment, and nothing more; It seems that
'Brother' is a little different than 'men'.=20
=20
=20
I have found a legal precedent, I believe, to removing "men" from the =
Toast
Song. This would not specify what should replace it. I was reading a
acquaintance brother's Web site, and this brother commented on how we =
our
Toast Song is always an issue. This brother linked to a CNN article
explaining a change removing "men" from the Naval Academy's Alma Mater. =
The
Academy went co-ed in 1976 just as we did, although I'm not sure =
relatively
when the first female enrolled. Here's the link:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/20/naval.academy.song.ap/index.html
Here's the supporting data (unfortunately, no decision came up in the
search, but the words are as the article says).
http://www.usna.edu/USNABand/FAQ/Lyrics.htm#bluegold
I know this seems a bit like the 1930s or 40s Miracle on 34th Street
reasoning, but if the Department of Defense makes such a change, =
shouldn't
we? After all, government changes have spurred actions by organizations =
in
reactin for a very long time. Case in point our own going co-ed.
Michael Gallagher
Zeta Sigma Historian (& a Political Science major)
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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the toast song,</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN=20
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D189012902-25052004>My =
chapter has=20
been singing for sometime (with varying degrees of acceptance) =
"loyal=20
members we... brothers clasp the hand of sisters...true to Alpha =
Phi Omega=20
may we always be..." our full version is on our chapter website at =
</SPAN></FONT><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D189012902-25052004><A=20
href=3D"http://students.missouri.edu/~apo/toastsong.php">http://students.=
missouri.edu/~apo/toastsong.php</A> if=20
anyone is interested</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
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Rescot</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D189012902-25052004>Beta Eta,=20
President</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN =
class=3D189012902-25052004>University of=20
Missouri - Columbia</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=3D#0000ff size=3D2><SPAN class=3D189012902-25052004>Go=20
Tigers!</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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APO-L@LISTSERV.IUPUI.EDU<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [APO-L] Toast=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>But its bisyllabic whereas "men" is=20
monosyllabic. that's why I recommend "kin." Anybody =
agree? =20
Those of you who disagree & haven't told me so & why, feel =
free to=20
send comments to me. My inbox is slowly decreasing in size so I =
think it=20
should be OK.</FONT></DIV>
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Song</DIV>
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<DIV>Hmmm... just a thought on this comment, and nothing more; It =
seems that=20
'Brother' is a little different than 'men'. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<BLOCKQUOTE class=3Dreplbq=20
style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff =
2px solid">I=20
have found a legal precedent, I believe, to removing "men" from =
the=20
Toast<BR>Song. This would not specify what should replace it. I =
was=20
reading a<BR>acquaintance brother's Web site, and this brother =
commented=20
on how we our<BR>Toast Song is always an issue. This brother =
linked to a=20
CNN article<BR>explaining a change removing "men" from the Naval =
Academy's=20
Alma Mater. The<BR>Academy went co-ed in 1976 just as we did, =
although I'm=20
not sure relatively<BR>when the first female enrolled. Here's the=20
=
link:<BR><BR>http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/05/20/naval.academy.song.ap/index=
.html<BR><BR>Here's=20
the supporting data (unfortunately, no decision came up in =
the<BR>search,=20
but the words are as the article=20
=
says).<BR><BR>http://www.usna.edu/USNABand/FAQ/Lyrics.htm#bluegold<BR><BR=
>I=20
know this seems a bit like the 1930s or 40s Miracle on 34th=20
Street<BR>reasoning, but if the Department of Defense makes such a =
change,=20
shouldn't<BR>we? After all, government changes have spurred =
actions by=20
organizations in<BR>reactin for a very long time. Case in point =
our own=20
going co-ed.<BR><BR>Michael Gallagher<BR>Zeta Sigma Historian =
(& a=20
Political Science major)</BLOCKQUOTE></DIV>
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