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Perl-Users Digest Thu, 17 Nov 2005 Volume: 10 Number: 8677
Today's topics:
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <tassilo.von.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <bigiain@mightymedia.com.au>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <abigail@abigail.nl>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <abigail@abigail.nl>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting <richard@zync.co.uk>
Re: [OT] Hiding from Google <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
How many computers in Win Nt domain ? <mirekwasik@poczta.onet.pl>
parse email coming from outlook in html <syncwa@gmail.com>
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:39:20 -0500
From: Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <m21x1f25pz.fsf@ubiquity.chromatico.net>
>>>>> "LKS" == Lars Kellogg-Stedman <8273grkci8q8kgt@jetable.net> writes:
LKS> Seriously, though -- auto-plonking people because you don't
LKS> like their newsreader doesn't seem like a good way to keep
LKS> Usenet a vibrant and thriving community. I'm glad that 15
LKS> years ago people weren't blocking my newbie messages due to
LKS> my choice of software!
Years ago I added Delphi to my killfile, because for every interesting
person on Delphi, there were seven or eight twits, and the interesting
people soon figured out that there were services other than Delphi.
Then Prodigy showed up, and they made Delphi look tame. Fortunately,
my killfile still had space in it, and the intelligent people found
other services.
Then AOL showed up, and we realized just how lucky we had been with
Delphi and Prodigy. My killfile got a workout, and somewhere in there
I switched to a scorefile, and Delphi and Prodigy and later AOL
started looking after themselves.
Now it's Google Groups. As near as I can tell, for every interesting
and clueful person on Google Groups, there are twenty to thirty twits;
though perhaps there are only ten or so twits, and the horrifically
bad posting software they have provided is making the others look bad.
So I added a rule to not even download and score any post coming from
Google Groups.
And you know what? It really doesn't matter to me; there's more
*good* Usenet than I have time to read, and if I filter out some
intelligent people while filtering out the vast majority of junk,
well, them's the breaks. If you care about me reading your posts so
badly that you're upset that I don't, well, that's an incentive to get
another news host.
Beyond that, I trust that this time, just like every other time
there's been an infusion of idiots onto Usenet via an easily
accessible service, the people with a bit of smarts will realize that
they're being ignored because of their news host and pay the $10 a
year for news.cfn.de or some other news service.
Charlton
--
cwilbur at chromatico dot net
cwilbur at mac dot com
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:44:22 +0100
From: "Tassilo v. Parseval" <tassilo.von.parseval@rwth-aachen.de>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <3u2qmpFutav4U1@news.dfncis.de>
Also sprach Alan J. Flavell:
> On Wed, 16 Nov 2005, John Bokma wrote:
>
>> Google Groups let you vote for new features. Vote for default quoting:
>> <http://tinyurl.com/aqe6y>
>>
>> "Default quoting of previous message in replies"
>
> Well, I'm sorry, but they've let this go on for too long to be able to
> take them seriously. Asking for votes now is just a way of seeking
> attention for their services, AFAICS. If they'd learn some basic
> netiquette and promote it to their users, then they'd be in a better
> position. It doesn't need votes to do that.
Furthermore, those default features to vote for sure are scary. Just
look at the first item: Photo/File storage.
Does that mean that at some point people are allowed to randomly attach
photos of their pets to usenet postings? Please, tell me this isn't so!
> But their presentation, even if not overtly, strongly suggests to me
> that they want to present the long-standing usenet newsgroups to their
> users as if they might be Google's own proprietary discussion forums.
> I can't be doing with that, so, with the exception of a few names
> filtered specially, I'm filtering them below the visibility horizon of
> my news client; therefore I no longer care that most of their users
> haven't a clue about Usenet. The day's too short to read every
> posting, anyway, so one has to apply *some* kind of selection, and
> this happens to be one of mine.
If google posters were killfilled on a larger scale, google might
perhaps one day react because it'd mean that the usenet would be a much
less valuable resource to google posters: The cluefull people wouldn't
even see their posts.
Tassilo
--
use bigint;
$n=71423350343770280161397026330337371139054411854220053437565440;
$m=-8,;;$_=$n&(0xff)<<$m,,$_>>=$m,,print+chr,,while(($m+=8)<=200);
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 19:10:11 +1100
From: Iain Chalmers <bigiain@mightymedia.com.au>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <bigiain-32A7DE.19101017112005@individual.net>
In article <zwQef.2008$KP5.277639@news20.bellglobal.com>,
"Matt Garrish" <matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> "Abigail" <abigail@abigail.nl> wrote in message
> > Google is evil. I'm not going to collect their cookies, let alone
> > bother to vote.
> >
> >
>
> Amateur. I toss their cookies! : )
#!/usr/bin/perl
#replace Firefox google cookie data with valid looking random garbage
use warnings;
use strict;
my $cf='~/Library/Application Support/Firefox/Profiles/8c1vmb5.default';
if (open (IN,'<',$cf)){
@c=<IN>;
close IN;
if (@c && open (OUT,'>',$cf)){
while (@c){
do {print OUT $_;next;} unless /^.google.com/;
chomp;
s/(ID|TM|LM|S)=([^:]*)/$1.'='.rg(length($2))/eg;
print OUT "$_\n";
}
}
}
sub rg{
my $g='';
$g.=(0..9,'a'..'z','A'..'Z')[rand(61)] for (1..shift);
return $g;
}
__END__
run from cron every hour
:-)
big
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:26:46 +0100
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <3u2t68Fv8gvaU1@individual.net>
John Bokma wrote:
> Gunnar Hjalmarsson wrote:
>>If I want my (Usenet or email) messages to be read, I'd better make
>>_some_ own effort to make them not be mixed up with spam.
>
> Imagine your Usenet server is down, and you have an urgent question do you
>
> [a] nothing
> [b] use Google Groups?
Can't recall it ever happened. I either try to help, or participate in
OT threads like this. ;-) But, yes, I might be using Google.
>>It would be
>>unreasonable IMNSHO to demand from the recipients that they _alone_
>>have the responsibility to figure out that my messages are worth
>>reading.
>
> Who else has that responsibility?
Both.
> The reader decides, or don't I understand you?
Let me take a non-Usenet example: Comcast.net is one of the absolutely
worst spam sources out there; almost all messages originating from
Comcast that arrive to my tiny VPS (710 during approx. a month last time
I counted) are spam. Consequently I bounce all Comcast.net messages with
this link as an explanation: http://gunnar.cc/bounce/?d=comcast.net
The obvious implied message is: Use a serious provider if you want that
people read your messages.
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: 17 Nov 2005 08:48:12 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <slrndnoguc.qiv.abigail@alexandra.abigail.nl>
John Bokma (john@castleamber.com) wrote on MMMMCDLXI September MCMXCIII
in <URL:news:Xns97111142363CDcastleamber@130.133.1.4>:
~~ Charlton Wilbur <cwilbur@chromatico.net> wrote:
~~
~~ > Beyond that, I trust that this time, just like every other time
~~ > there's been an infusion of idiots onto Usenet via an easily
~~ > accessible service, the people with a bit of smarts will realize that
~~ > they're being ignored because of their news host and pay the $10 a
~~ > year for news.cfn.de or some other news service.
~~
~~ Which exclude people working for a company that just firewalls some ports,
~~ or if your Usenet server is down, and you have an urgent post to make.
~~ (Been there).
Either you make that post on behalf of your company, and then you should
have a case to have the hole in the firewall, or you aren't, and then
you shouldn't be posting from work anyway.
Abigail
--
$_ = "\nrekcaH lreP rehtona tsuJ"; my $chop; $chop = sub {print chop; $chop};
$chop -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> ()
-> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> () -> ()
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Date: 17 Nov 2005 08:50:52 GMT
From: Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <slrndnoh3b.qiv.abigail@alexandra.abigail.nl>
John Bokma (john@castleamber.com) wrote on MMMMCDLXI September MCMXCIII
in <URL:news:Xns971110A2CCED6castleamber@130.133.1.4>:
}}
}} Imagine your Usenet server is down, and you have an urgent question do you
}}
}} [a] nothing
}} [b] use Google Groups?
}}
}} I have done the latter in the past. Also note that some people using GG do
}} post useful replies, etc.
Isn't the standard response of this group to questions marked "urgent"
then Usenet is the wrong forum for urgent questions?
Abigail
--
perl -wle 'eval {die [[qq [Just another Perl Hacker]]]};; print
${${${@}}[$#{@{${@}}}]}[$#{${@{${@}}}[$#{@{${@}}}]}]'
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:37:42 +0100
From: "Bernard El-Hagin" <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <Xns97116C1EAD55Aelhber1lidotechnet@10.232.40.227>
Abigail <abigail@abigail.nl> wrote:
[...]
> you shouldn't be posting from work anyway.
Ummm, why exactly?
--
Cheers,
Bernard
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:46:15 +0100
From: Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <3u31r9Ft618jU1@individual.net>
Bernard El-Hagin wrote:
> Abigail wrote:
>> Either you make that post on behalf of your company, and then you should
>> have a case to have the hole in the firewall, or you aren't, and then
>> you shouldn't be posting from work anyway.
>
> Ummm, why exactly?
If you don't understand that, your employer may be able to provide a
more tangible explanation. ;-)
--
Gunnar Hjalmarsson
Email: http://www.gunnar.cc/cgi-bin/contact.pl
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 11:08:57 +0100
From: "Bernard El-Hagin" <bernard.el-haginDODGE_THIS@lido-tech.net>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <Xns9711716B0C98Felhber1lidotechnet@10.232.40.227>
Gunnar Hjalmarsson <noreply@gunnar.cc> wrote:
> Bernard El-Hagin wrote:
>> Abigail wrote:
>>> Either you make that post on behalf of your company, and then
>>> you should have a case to have the hole in the firewall, or you
>>> aren't, and then you shouldn't be posting from work anyway.
>>
>> Ummm, why exactly?
>
> If you don't understand that, your employer may be able to provide
> a more tangible explanation. ;-)
My employer knows that much of what I know about Perl I learned from
this group, so I don't think he minds. :-)
--
Cheers,
Bernard
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 10:49:59 GMT
From: Richard Gration <richard@zync.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [OT] Google Groups: vote for Default quoting
Message-Id: <pan.2005.11.17.10.49.57.650267@zync.co.uk>
On Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:14:29 +0000, John Bokma wrote:
>
> Yup being overly paranoid is healty :-)
For certain definitions of healty :-P
I could do without it myself ...
--
Posterity will ne'er survey
A nobler grave than this;
Here lie the bones of Castlereagh;
Stop, traveller, and piss.
-- Lord Byron, on Lord Castlereagh
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 07:33:50 +0000 (UTC)
From: Ilya Zakharevich <nospam-abuse@ilyaz.org>
Subject: Re: [OT] Hiding from Google
Message-Id: <dlhbou$al2$1@agate.berkeley.edu>
[A complimentary Cc of this posting was sent to
Matt Garrish
<matthew.garrish@sympatico.ca>], who wrote in article <zwQef.2008$KP5.277639@news20.bellglobal.com>:
> > Google is evil. I'm not going to collect their cookies, let alone
> > bother to vote.
> Amateur. I toss their cookies! : )
Hmm, this looks like this (silly) advice of swapping the grocery
stores cards with your friends to hide you from the watch - in the
case you also use a credit card. Having two pieces of info (customer
card number and credit card number) it is very easy to work around
such games. (There was a discussion in comp.risks; see the archives.)
Likewise with google: the only reliable way to untrace yourselves is
to change your IP address *similtaneously* with a cooky flush. And I
do not know a reliable way to do this... (Also discussed in comp.risks...)
Hope this helps,
Ilya
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 08:49:19 +0100
From: "mw" <mirekwasik@poczta.onet.pl>
Subject: How many computers in Win Nt domain ?
Message-Id: <dlhcms$6bh$1@nemesis.news.tpi.pl>
Hi !
I would like to prepare perl script which will be count computers with
domain account
in my Windows Nt domain.
I tried to use Win32::NetAdmin::GetServers with many settings of SV_TYPE
flag,
but by that means I could count the number of active computers only (like
it can see in Network Neighbourhood).
However, I would like to know the number of all computers in domain (acive
and inactive, like shows Server Manager for Domains).
How can I do it ?
Pls help.
Regards
Mirek
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Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 16:44:34 +0800
From: syncwa <syncwa@gmail.com>
Subject: parse email coming from outlook in html
Message-Id: <9igon155rhk0o64ncp05npf8c8a6mog2vi@4ax.com>
Hi,
What's the best way to parse email I got in HTML format?
They are mostly from exchange outlook, but some of them are in plain
text.
I would like a way to detect if an email is HTML format, if so change
it to plan text.
Thanks
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