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peace-announce list use re-reminder!
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Aimee L Smith)
Mon Feb 24 22:40:49 2003
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To: "James in Cambridge" <tompaine@hotmail.com>
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alsmith@MIT.EDU
In-Reply-To: Your message of "Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:32:14 GMT."
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Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:40:21 -0500
From: Aimee L Smith <alsmith@MIT.EDU>
As I posted last Friday, let me quickly repost the guidelines for
use of peace-announce@mit.edu
'Krevice@sub-zero' inadvertently hit reply to all and did not mean to post
an open ended discussion question to peace-announce. Please reply
to his question on peace-discuss
In addition, consider book-marking the following for future reference
if you are uncertain about what to post where, or how to get on or off
one or more of the lists:
http://web.mit.edu/justice/www/email.html
Further questions, such as the one James just sent? Please send those to
peace-request.
And thank you for your patience and cooperation!
Aimee
+++++++++ peace-announce list use policy reminder ++++++++++
Just a quick reminder about peace-announce, peace-discuss, and
peace-request list use:
peace-announce low volume so that people with small quota's can participate
-for announcements of events or actions only
peace-discuss high volume - speak freely, (but just try and be respectful)
-discussion of announcements, news items, links, clever
graphics, organizational discussion, etc.
peace-request questions about list, for active members of sjc who want in
There are so many relevant and pressing news articles, links and discussions
going on that I highly encourage everyone to join peace-discuss!
write to peace-request and we will be happy to add you or remove you as
you desire.
Regards,
Aimee
>
> Just to clarify... Is this a "discussion" list?
> What sort of messages are appropriate here?
> (Before I send a response on Howard Dean...) James
>
> >From: it is his custom to be helpless <krevice@sub-zero.mit.edu>
> >To: laurita@MIT.EDU
> >CC: peace-announce@MIT.EDU
> >Subject: Re: Anti-War speech from Potential Presidential Candidate
> >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:34:48 -0500 (EST)
> >is kucinich better than howard dean?
> >
> >i am pretty excited about dean and questionable on kucinich
> >
> >http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml
> >
> >---
> >
> >02.18.03
> >
> >
> >HOWARD DEAN'S WORST NIGHTMARE: Today's quickie Washington
> >Post profile of Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich, the
> >latest addition to the Democratic presidential field,
> >fingers Dick Gephardt as the first-tier candidate who
> >stands to lose the most from a Kucinich campaign--because
> >of both men's strong ties to labor. But given the way labor
> >has been acting lately, it's not at all clear that that's
> >right. After all, labor has made no secret of the fact that
> >a major--if not the major--factor behind who it decides to
> >support is which of the Democratic candidates has the best
> >shot at winning. Among other things, this attitude seems to
> >have motivated public employees union chief Gerald
> >McEntee's recent praise for John Kerry (though McEntee was
> >quick to emphasize that his comments were not an
> >endorsement). And in an early January New York Times
> >article, former AFL-CIO political director Steve Rosenthal
> >basically cited this as the reason labor was having doubts
> >about Gephardt, it's longtime client. As Rosenthal told the
> >Times, "People will be saying, 'We love Dick, but can he
> >win?' ... He's really got to prove over the next several
> >months that he's got a strategy that can move him to the
> >White House. Nobody should assume that Gephardt will get
> >the endorsement--that's a very, very tough, uphill fight."
> >Now if a mainstream pol like Gephardt has to struggle to
> >prove to labor that he can win, it's hard to believe
> >Kucinich stands much of a chance--or poses much of a threat
> >to the candidates in the running for labor support.
> >The real loser in all of this has to be Howard Dean. As the
> >Post also points out, Kucinich will be making the very same
> >anti-Iraq case to Iowa activists that Dean has been making
> >for months--only without Dean's tortured qualification
> >about supporting war if there were convincing evidence that
> >Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, or whatever Dean is
> >saying these days. And Kucinich also steps on Dean's
> >unconventional-liberal schtick. Dean supporters spend a lot
> >of time playing up their man's fiscal conservatism and his
> >opposition to gun control. Kucinich, it turns out, opposes
> >abortion and has voted for a constitutional amendment to
> >ban flag-burning. The more you think about it, the more it
> >seems like Dennis Kucinich leaves Howard Dean without a
> >constituency.
> >
> >UPDATE: It turns out Kucinich actually renounced--er,
> >"expanded"--his earlier position on abortion in Iowa
> >yesterday, having apparently concluded that a progressive
> >campaign that alienates abortion rights activists won't, in
> >the end, make much progress. What's interesting about
> >Kucinich's "expansion" is that it's ... well, totally
> >incoherent. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer,
> >Kucinich argued that his change of heart came about because
> >the narrow cast of the abortion debate in Congress leaves
> >little room for addressing "the needs of poor families"
> >(the Plain-Dealer's words). According to one Iowa activist
> >who heard Kucinich speak and later paraphrased his
> >explanation for the paper, "He said it very clearly that it
> >is hypocritical for those who say they are for life, if
> >they are not willing to support the baby after it comes out
> >of the womb."
> >
> >Maybe we're missing something, but what does this have to
> >do with Kucinich's position on abortion? Or, to put it
> >another way, since when is being anti-abortion incompatible
> >with deploring hypocrisy in general, and with favoring
> >greater support for newborn babies and struggling families
> >in particular? Clearly Kucinich could have stuck to his old
> >position on abortion while making the same critique of the
> >abortion debate in Congress. This isn't an "expansion" of
> >an earlier position. It's a non sequitur.
> >
> >posted 4:00 p.m.
> >
> >Return to the top of the page.
> >
> >
> >
> >On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 laurita@MIT.EDU wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > A man committed to peace announced today he's organizing an exploratory
> > > commitee for the presidential elections of 2004. This might sound
> >premature to
> > > you, but personally, I'm already looking forward to having Bush and his
> > > bloodthirsty hounds elected out of office. I believe the best time to
> >begin
> > > making sure he won't get re-elected is now, as he plots out the best way
> >to
> > > ignore our anti-war protests. If we begin calling the name of the
> >peace-loving
> > > man who will confront him in the 2004 elections, we may bring Bush
> >closer to
> > > the reality that while he may ignore us once, we'll never give him the
> >chance
> > > to ignore us again.
> > >
> > > Following are three links --the most important link being the 3rd link.
> >The
> > > first one is CNN relaying the news he plans to run for office (the news
> >were
> > > published today), the second is an article he wrote against the war, and
> >the
> > > third one is the best anti-war speech you'll ever hear from a
> >presidential
> > > candidate (he gave this speech on november 2002).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/15/kucinich.president.ap/index.html
> > >
> > > http://www.progressive.org/nov02/kuc1102.html
> > >
> > > http://www.draftkucinich.com/ -- You have to scroll down and click
> >where
> > > it says "A Prayer for America - RealPlayer Video" underneath the
> > > section: "Watch and Listen to Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich." He
> >starts the
> > > speech singing and with some general remarks. Stick with it or jump to
> >the
> > > middle to hear the best speech against the war and against violating
> >civil
> > > rights you'll ever hear from a presidential candidate.
> > >
> > > If you like what you hear, please send the link to the speech to all the
> >peace-
> > > supporting people that you know (and even those that don't). ;)
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > > Laura.
> > >
> > >
> > >
>
>
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