[2275] in peace2
Re: Anti-War speech from Potential Presidential Candidate
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (James in Cambridge)
Mon Feb 24 22:34:33 2003
From: "James in Cambridge" <tompaine@hotmail.com>
To: krevice@sub-zero.mit.edu, laurita@MIT.EDU
Cc: peace-announce@MIT.EDU
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 03:32:14 +0000
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed
Message-ID: <F57LDXFNeMnn7jWU7cQ00003f8b@hotmail.com>
Just to clarify... Is this a "discussion" list?
What sort of messages are appropriate here?
(Before I send a response on Howard Dean...) James
>From: it is his custom to be helpless <krevice@sub-zero.mit.edu>
>To: laurita@MIT.EDU
>CC: peace-announce@MIT.EDU
>Subject: Re: Anti-War speech from Potential Presidential Candidate
>Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 09:34:48 -0500 (EST)
>is kucinich better than howard dean?
>
>i am pretty excited about dean and questionable on kucinich
>
>http://www.tnr.com/etc.mhtml
>
>---
>
>02.18.03
>
>
>HOWARD DEAN'S WORST NIGHTMARE: Today's quickie Washington
>Post profile of Ohio Representative Dennis Kucinich, the
>latest addition to the Democratic presidential field,
>fingers Dick Gephardt as the first-tier candidate who
>stands to lose the most from a Kucinich campaign--because
>of both men's strong ties to labor. But given the way labor
>has been acting lately, it's not at all clear that that's
>right. After all, labor has made no secret of the fact that
>a major--if not the major--factor behind who it decides to
>support is which of the Democratic candidates has the best
>shot at winning. Among other things, this attitude seems to
>have motivated public employees union chief Gerald
>McEntee's recent praise for John Kerry (though McEntee was
>quick to emphasize that his comments were not an
>endorsement). And in an early January New York Times
>article, former AFL-CIO political director Steve Rosenthal
>basically cited this as the reason labor was having doubts
>about Gephardt, it's longtime client. As Rosenthal told the
>Times, "People will be saying, 'We love Dick, but can he
>win?' ... He's really got to prove over the next several
>months that he's got a strategy that can move him to the
>White House. Nobody should assume that Gephardt will get
>the endorsement--that's a very, very tough, uphill fight."
>Now if a mainstream pol like Gephardt has to struggle to
>prove to labor that he can win, it's hard to believe
>Kucinich stands much of a chance--or poses much of a threat
>to the candidates in the running for labor support.
>The real loser in all of this has to be Howard Dean. As the
>Post also points out, Kucinich will be making the very same
>anti-Iraq case to Iowa activists that Dean has been making
>for months--only without Dean's tortured qualification
>about supporting war if there were convincing evidence that
>Saddam had weapons of mass destruction, or whatever Dean is
>saying these days. And Kucinich also steps on Dean's
>unconventional-liberal schtick. Dean supporters spend a lot
>of time playing up their man's fiscal conservatism and his
>opposition to gun control. Kucinich, it turns out, opposes
>abortion and has voted for a constitutional amendment to
>ban flag-burning. The more you think about it, the more it
>seems like Dennis Kucinich leaves Howard Dean without a
>constituency.
>
>UPDATE: It turns out Kucinich actually renounced--er,
>"expanded"--his earlier position on abortion in Iowa
>yesterday, having apparently concluded that a progressive
>campaign that alienates abortion rights activists won't, in
>the end, make much progress. What's interesting about
>Kucinich's "expansion" is that it's ... well, totally
>incoherent. According to the Cleveland Plain Dealer,
>Kucinich argued that his change of heart came about because
>the narrow cast of the abortion debate in Congress leaves
>little room for addressing "the needs of poor families"
>(the Plain-Dealer's words). According to one Iowa activist
>who heard Kucinich speak and later paraphrased his
>explanation for the paper, "He said it very clearly that it
>is hypocritical for those who say they are for life, if
>they are not willing to support the baby after it comes out
>of the womb."
>
>Maybe we're missing something, but what does this have to
>do with Kucinich's position on abortion? Or, to put it
>another way, since when is being anti-abortion incompatible
>with deploring hypocrisy in general, and with favoring
>greater support for newborn babies and struggling families
>in particular? Clearly Kucinich could have stuck to his old
>position on abortion while making the same critique of the
>abortion debate in Congress. This isn't an "expansion" of
>an earlier position. It's a non sequitur.
>
>posted 4:00 p.m.
>
>Return to the top of the page.
>
>
>
>On Sun, 16 Feb 2003 laurita@MIT.EDU wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > A man committed to peace announced today he's organizing an exploratory
> > commitee for the presidential elections of 2004. This might sound
>premature to
> > you, but personally, I'm already looking forward to having Bush and his
> > bloodthirsty hounds elected out of office. I believe the best time to
>begin
> > making sure he won't get re-elected is now, as he plots out the best way
>to
> > ignore our anti-war protests. If we begin calling the name of the
>peace-loving
> > man who will confront him in the 2004 elections, we may bring Bush
>closer to
> > the reality that while he may ignore us once, we'll never give him the
>chance
> > to ignore us again.
> >
> > Following are three links --the most important link being the 3rd link.
>The
> > first one is CNN relaying the news he plans to run for office (the news
>were
> > published today), the second is an article he wrote against the war, and
>the
> > third one is the best anti-war speech you'll ever hear from a
>presidential
> > candidate (he gave this speech on november 2002).
> >
> >
> >
>http://www.cnn.com/2003/ALLPOLITICS/02/15/kucinich.president.ap/index.html
> >
> > http://www.progressive.org/nov02/kuc1102.html
> >
> > http://www.draftkucinich.com/ -- You have to scroll down and click
>where
> > it says "A Prayer for America - RealPlayer Video" underneath the
> > section: "Watch and Listen to Congressman Dennis J. Kucinich." He
>starts the
> > speech singing and with some general remarks. Stick with it or jump to
>the
> > middle to hear the best speech against the war and against violating
>civil
> > rights you'll ever hear from a presidential candidate.
> >
> > If you like what you hear, please send the link to the speech to all the
>peace-
> > supporting people that you know (and even those that don't). ;)
> >
> > Sincerely,
> > Laura.
> >
> >
> >
_________________________________________________________________
MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE*
http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus
