[466] in Kakapo Windows Team
Re: [Kakapo] Student Group Request
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mark V Silis)
Thu Aug 19 03:03:03 2004
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Date: Thu, 19 Aug 2004 03:02:58 -0400
From: Mark V Silis <mark@mit.edu>
To: Chad Dupuis <dupuis@mit.edu>
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I vote for choice 2.
-- Mark
Quoting Chad Dupuis <dupuis@MIT.EDU>:
> I still have not received one comment regarding the student group
> request that came in...
> You have 3 options for your answer:
> (1) yes - chad - give them everything they want regardless of the
> constraints mentioned
> (2) yes - give them an empty container and let them install software
> manually with no support
> (3) no
>
> to recap...
>
> We don't need to meet, but - yes - we do need to discuss the student
> group request. Until we have a more defined structure regarding
> support, software fees, etc. I am leaning towards declining opening
> this up to student groups. Additionally, there are still ongoing,
> unresolved negotiations with DITR regarding athena DLC's which this
> would most likely fall under if we reach a decision in this matter.
> For now, I would be ok with them having a container with machines
> joined to the domain and have them install software on their own, but I
> really don't have the cycles to begin supporting machines in student
> groups. Once the RCC is trained in such matters, I would feel much
> better helping them (and others) get started so long as they could
> provide some backup support. Just my 2 cents....
>
> -Chad.
>
>
> and the original request:
>
> On Jul 25, 2004, at 2:45 PM, Jose H Soltren wrote:
>
> > Chad,
> >
> > I'm available ever weekday. We could meet tomorrow afternoon.
> >
> > Concerning your questions:
> > 1) The goal is to be able to use Windows machines the way we use Athena
> > machines - remote login and authentication using Kerberos at the very
> > least. MatLab and SolidWorks would be a real plus if we did not have to
> > pay for them. Microsoft Office may or may not be necessary. Ideally
> > we'd
> > like to keep costs at a minimum. We're exploring this as a complement
> > to
> > the private Athena workstations we already have, which do not cost us
> > any
> > money to run (aside from electricity and hardware costs).
> >
> > 2) I'd like the following people to have administrative access:
> > Jose Soltren jsoltren@mit.edu Student
> > Mark Tobenkin mmt@mit.edu Student
> >
> > I (Jose) have experience with Windows from a system administrator's
> > perspective. I have some limited experience managing a Windows domain.
> > I
> > believe this is also Mark's situation.
> >
> > 3) The proposed environment would consist of an undetermined number of
> > machines (right now, just one, but this may increase) throughout our
> > house
> > at TEP. We have two networked PostScript laser printers, an HP LaserJet
> > 4050N and a Tektronix Phaser 740. There may be future interest in using
> > video editing software, but that's not an issue at this point in time.
> >
> > I'd like to leave the option open to brothers of the house to configure
> > their own machines using WinAthena. Since Windows stores a user's files
> > locally, it may be a viable option for individuals to set up their own
> > computers using the domain.
> >
> > We're an overwhelmingly Linux house with a couple of Mac OS X machines
> > (and an Athena station running Solaris).
> >
> > 4) Right now, we're just looking at a couple of laptops that would only
> > use WinAthena within MITNet (18.*.*.*). Since we're just looking at a
> > few
> > machines right now, maybe 2 desktops and 1 laptop, the ratio is about
> > 2:1.
> >
> > Thank you for your prompt response to my request! I'll happily discuss
> > any
> > further issues as they arise. Once again, cost is a prohibitive factor,
> > something we would need to vote upon as a house.
> >
> > --
> > Jose "soultrain" Soltren
> > 253 Commonwealth Avenue (tep)
> > Boston, MA 02116
> > jsoltren@mit.edu
> >
> > On Sun, 25 Jul 2004, Chad Dupuis wrote:
> >
> >> Hello Jose,
> >>
> >> I'd be happy to meet with you to discuss your proposed use of
> >> WinAthena. Please send me some meeting times which work for you over
> >> the next 2 weeks and I will get something setup. In the meantime, if
> >> you could also answer the following questions, that would be helpful
> >> as
> >> well.
> >>
> >> 1) As specifically as possible (i.e. including, plug-ins, etc.)
> >> please
> >> provide us with a complete list of software that you would want for
> >> the
> >> machines.
> >>
> >> 2) Please provide us with a list of people and their status (i.e
> >> faculty, staff, student) who would have administrative access to the
> >> machines. Do any of these people have experience managing a windows
> >> domain, active directory experience and/or windows scripting
> >> experience?
> >>
> >> 3) Please describe the proposed environment as far as peripherals are
> >> concerned (i.e. printing, removable harddrives, digital cameras,
> >> etc.).
> >> This allows us to consider driver issues.
> >>
> >> 4) Please describe the use of laptops in the container - would they
> >> be
> >> taken oncampus? offcampus? and what would be the ratio of desktops to
> >> laptops.
> >>
> >> Thank You,
> >>
> >> -Chad.
> >> MIT Academic Computing
> >> Bldg. 37 Administrator
> >>
> >> jsoltren@MIT.EDU wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a request for assistance with getting started in WIN.MIT.EDU
> >>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> >>>
> >>> Request came from: jsoltren@mit.edu
> >>> Jose H Soltren
> >>>
> >>> MIT Username (optional): jsoltren
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Project type: Mix of Personal Laptops and Desktops
> >>> Other:
> >>>
> >>> Expected focus/Practice: Mixed
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Other contacts to include in correspondence:
> >>> +++++
> >>>
> >>> +++++
> >>>
> >>> Project description:
> >>> +++++
> >>> Create a container named "tep" for use at tep, Tau Epsilon Phi, a
> >>> fraternity house. Configure a number of Windows workstations with
> >>> WinAthena for general house use.
> >>> +++++
> >>>
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