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Re: offline ID card access systems
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brock, Adam)
Tue Sep 11 21:18:22 2012
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From: "Brock, Adam" <Adam_Brock@baylor.edu>
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When I worked at Baylor a large part of my job entailed managing our card access systems for the residence halls. We had over 2,500 offline locks and about 150 online locks. We had relatively few issues with the offline locks and were very happy with them. The key to success with offline locks is planning ahead because any change to access requires either reprogramming a lock or reprogramming a card. We had card encoders at the front desks of our residence halls, so it wasn't much of an issue for someone to get their card reprogrammed.
I would not recommend a system that uses track 2 data for offline locks though. Essentially this means every time someone loses a card or you need to update access, you have to go reprogram the lock. In these situations you're essentially telling the lock which ID or card numbers to allow.
We used locks from Persona (http://www.personacampus.com), and these functioned similar to hotel locks. All the data about access (start / stop time, times during the day when the card could be used, which doors should be opened, etc) was all encoded to the card. If a student changed rooms, they'd go to the front desk and have their card re-encoded. Then the next time they used that card on their door, it would automatically lock out the student who moved out. It was pretty slick stuff.
Persona offers a wide variety of solutions that can integrate with your other access systems. They now have online locks (both wired and wireless). If I can answer more questions or put you in contact with someone at Persona, please let me know. Electronic locks is one aspect of my current job that I really miss.
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Subject: Re: [RESNET-L] offline ID card access systems
I pursued some wireless door locks with my Vendor ( http://www.lenel.com/ILS )
Basically, it came down to how many doors are you planning on managing? The vendor we used had experience implementing it, and recommended that if you have one door, or two doors, it's effective, but anything more than that, he strongly recommended just wiring back to a panel system. The long term benefits (as you've noticed with your existing offline system) are just so much better.
Mike
On Tue, Sep 11, 2012 at 4:55 PM, Brian Gibson <gibson_brian@wheatoncollege.edu<mailto:gibson_brian@wheatoncollege.edu>> wrote:
Hi Jeff,
Thanks for the response, we are using the same Stanley/BEST software but we are using it in an offline way (I forgot to mention that the software was designed to be used online but it can be used in offline mode....which I wouldn't suggest). I know Joe just mentioned wireless door locks, does anyone have experience with these (setup, cost, maintenance for Locksmith, usefulness etc...)
Thanks!
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Wheaton College
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On 9/11/2012 4:40 PM, Jeff Kell wrote:
On 9/11/2012 4:00 PM, Brian Gibson wrote:
Hi all,
We use a product from Stanley called BEST for door access. The system is offline
meaning the locks on the doors are not wired to our network and we only use it on one
dorm (because frankly, it is a real pain). Any suggestions out there for another
offline (guest) replacement application OR is there an easy way to hook these doors up
to the network since we do have the S2 online system for other areas of campus. Back
about 5-6 years ago we were told it would cost $3,000 - $5,000 per door to wire them
to the network.... has anything changed since then?
We use Best/Stanley. The doors themselves are analog wired. There are building "panel
controllers" which connect to the network and can be downloaded (or they download, not
sure which way it works exactly) lists of access codes for the associated doors. If
they lose contact on the network and cannot phone home, they keep their current status
for a period of time, then fail-safe to whatever mode you program (open or closed).
Jeff
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