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Re: Question for Google Apps for Edu email users
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Shannon Peevey)
Thu Nov 10 14:26:47 2011
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Sorry, Tony! Didn't mean to dis you on my email...
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Tony Skalski <ajs@stolaf.edu> wrote:
> To follow up on what Bud said, I would recommend you avoid any attempt
> to try to use Outlook. We have looked at the Outlook connectors from a
> few products and they all seemed to have mild to severe issues, and
> couldn't be trusted, especially with C-class employees. We had a small
> contingent of Outlook users, and they came around and liked the Google
> interface.
>
> And, as the guy who did much of the meeting maker to google migration
> here at St. Olaf, it wasn't painful, it was just a lot of
> export-import tedium, as we migrated groups of users instead of
> everyone at once, and we had to upgrade our version of meeting maker
> each time so that we could access a new export feature that allowed us
> to import to Google.
>
> There are so many additional services that Google brings to the table,
> beyond email and calendaring, that it was an easy choice for us (we
> did take a good look at Zimbra, and a few others).
>
> ajs
>
> On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Shannon Peevey <speeves@stolaf.edu>
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Zimbra (we use VMware now)
> >
> > carleton.edu (with whom we collaborate) went with Zimbra ~2008. My only
> real
> > experience was with connecting Blackberry's for syncing, and the sync
> tool
> > was limited somehow. (I think that it didn't sync with the calendar at
> the
> > time). But, someone at Carleton could weigh in on their experiences.
> Zimbra
> > was our other alternative, and we felt that the Google product was the
> most
> > compelling.
> >
> >>
> >> Oracle's Collaboration Suite
> >
> > http://www.macalester.edu/ migrated from Oracle CS to Google Apps, so
> they
> > could weigh in there.
> >
> > We were a meeting maker campus, and the migration from meeting maker to
> > Google Apps was painful. You can contact Craig Rice (cdr@stolaf.edu) if
> you
> > would like more information on how we did it. He handled those
> migrations.
> > Google Apps calendaring has had a limitation in that:
> > 1. we would like student workers (as admin assistants) to be able to make
> > appointments for staff in some depts. (ie Health Center, Academic Support
> > Center, Center for Experiential Learning, etc), but you need to share
> your
> > calendar with the student worker, _meaning_ that the student has access
> to
> > the staff calendar, and meeting information at all times. The fear is
> that
> > the student will forget to logout of their Google Apps account at a
> public
> > kiosk, and the next students could sit down and view all of the student
> > client names and appointment information.
> > This has been a struggle, and so, the effected departments have
> continued to
> > use meeting maker.
> > Does anyone have any news on Google Apps changes that may help with this?
> > thanks,
> > --
> > Shannon Eric Peevey
> > Systems Programmer
> > Information and Instructional Technologies
> > St. Olaf College
> > 1510 St. Olaf Avenue
> > Northfield, MN 55057-1097 USA
> > +1 507 786-3731, +1 507 786-3096 (fax)
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>
> --
> Tony Skalski
> Systems Administrator
> ajs@stolaf.edu
> 507-786-3227
> St. Olaf College
> Information and Instructional Technologies
> 1510 St. Olaf Avenue
> Northfield, MN 55057-1097
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Sorry, Tony! Didn't mean to dis you on my email...<br><br><div class=3D=
"gmail_quote">On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Tony Skalski <span dir=3D"lt=
r"><<a href=3D"mailto:ajs@stolaf.edu">ajs@stolaf.edu</a>></span> wrot=
e:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">To follow up on what Bud said, I would reco=
mmend you avoid any attempt<br>
to try to use Outlook. We have looked at the Outlook connectors from a<br>
few products and they all seemed to have mild to severe issues, and<br>
couldn't be trusted, especially with C-class employees. We had a small<=
br>
contingent of Outlook users, and they came around and liked the Google<br>
interface.<br>
<br>
And, as the guy who did much of the meeting maker to google migration<br>
here at St. Olaf, it wasn't painful, it was just a lot of<br>
export-import tedium, as we migrated groups of users instead of<br>
everyone at once, and we had to upgrade our version of meeting maker<br>
each time so that we could access a new export feature that allowed us<br>
to import to Google.<br>
<br>
There are so many additional services that Google brings to the table,<br>
beyond email and calendaring, that it was an easy choice for us (we<br>
did take a good look at Zimbra, and a few others).<br>
<br>
ajs<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
On Thu, Nov 10, 2011 at 12:54 PM, Shannon Peevey <<a href=3D"mailto:spee=
ves@stolaf.edu">speeves@stolaf.edu</a>> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> Zimbra (we use VMware now)<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://carleton.edu" target=3D"_blank">carleton.edu</a> (wi=
th whom we collaborate) went with Zimbra ~2008. My only real<br>
> experience was with connecting Blackberry's for syncing, and the s=
ync tool<br>
> was limited somehow. (I think that it didn't sync with the calenda=
r at the<br>
> time). But, someone at Carleton could weigh in on their experiences. Z=
imbra<br>
> was our other alternative, and we felt that the Google product was the=
most<br>
> compelling.<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Oracle's Collaboration Suite<br>
><br>
> <a href=3D"http://www.macalester.edu/" target=3D"_blank">http://www.ma=
calester.edu/</a>=A0 migrated from Oracle CS to Google Apps, so they<br>
> could weigh in there.<br>
><br>
> We were a meeting maker campus, and the migration from meeting maker t=
o<br>
> Google Apps was painful. You can contact Craig Rice (<a href=3D"mailto=
:cdr@stolaf.edu">cdr@stolaf.edu</a>) if you<br>
> would like more information on how we did it. He handled those migrati=
ons.<br>
> Google Apps calendaring has had a limitation in that:<br>
> 1. we would like student workers (as admin assistants) to be able to m=
ake<br>
> appointments for staff in some depts. (ie Health Center, Academic Supp=
ort<br>
> Center, Center for Experiential Learning, etc), but you need to share =
your<br>
> calendar with the student worker, _meaning_ that the student has acces=
s to<br>
> the staff calendar, and meeting information at all times. The fear is =
that<br>
> the student will forget to logout of their Google Apps account at a pu=
blic<br>
> kiosk, and the next students could sit down and view all of the studen=
t<br>
> client names and appointment information.<br>
> This has been a struggle, and so, the effected departments have contin=
ued to<br>
> use meeting maker.<br>
> Does anyone have any news on Google Apps changes that may help with th=
is?<br>
> thanks,<br>
> --<br>
> Shannon Eric Peevey<br>
> Systems Programmer<br>
> Information and Instructional Technologies<br>
> St. Olaf College<br>
> 1510 St. Olaf Avenue<br>
> Northfield, MN =A055057-1097 USA<br>
> <a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20507%20786-3731" value=3D"+15077863731">+1 507 78=
6-3731</a>, =A0<a href=3D"tel:%2B1%20507%20786-3096" value=3D"+15077863096"=
>+1 507 786-3096</a> (fax)<br>
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<br>
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</div>Tony Skalski<br>
Systems Administrator<br>
<a href=3D"mailto:ajs@stolaf.edu">ajs@stolaf.edu</a><br>
<a href=3D"tel:507-786-3227" value=3D"+15077863227">507-786-3227</a><br>
St. Olaf College<br>
Information and Instructional Technologies<br>
<div class=3D"im">1510 St. Olaf Avenue<br>
Northfield, MN=A0 =A0 55057-1097<br>
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Technologies<br>St. Olaf College<br>1510 St. Olaf Avenue<br>Northfield, MN =
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