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Re: Windows 7/2008 not connecting to network...
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Bob Moffitt)
Thu Oct 13 09:24:57 2011
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* If you believe this event occurred after a Windows Update, have y=
ou identified the update or updates?
* To rule out Windows Updates I would try uninstalling the update (=
one by one if you are not positive of the specific update), reboot the serv=
er and see if this resolves the issue
*******************************
Bob Moffitt
Network Administrator
Information Technology Dept
Brooks School
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Brock, Ad=
am
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:22 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Windows 7/2008 not connecting to network...
To rule out a group policy issue, I'd create a new OU and block inheritance=
of all other policies. Then create the computer account there and join th=
e machine to the domain. If the issue still crops up, you know it's not gr=
oup policy. If it doesn't, start linking GPOs one by one.
You might want to compare rights on the BFE and Windows Firewall services u=
sing sc. If it's a rights issue (and it sounds like it might be), that can=
give you an idea of what permissions are being altered. On one occasion I=
made some typos modifying the permissions for a service, and it caused all=
sorts of wonky behavior.
sc sdshow bfe
sc sdshow mpssvc
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:RESNET-=
L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]> On Behalf Of Mike King
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:56 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: [RESNET-L] Windows 7/2008 not connecting to network...
I've also had "Issues" with Cisco ASA's and Server 2008 being in the same s=
ubnet.
Short answer,
Cisco ASA's have a "feature" called proxy arp, where if a device is misconf=
igured with the wrong gateway, the ASA will still respond, and mimic the wr=
ong address, so your clients can connect to the network.
Server 2008/Windows 7 use proxy arp to detect ip address conflicts. This c=
auses them to completely freak out.
On a sad note, when you have an address conflict, it does not show a popup =
like XP used to. It will just show a different (usually APIPA address) as =
"Preferred" in the ipconfig /all
Mike
On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Adeel Siddiqui <asiddiqui@usao.edu<mailto:=
asiddiqui@usao.edu>> wrote:
We have a strange issue going on our campus that's causing our Windows 7 co=
mputers and Windows 2008 servers to completely lose network connectivity.
This is only happening to computers that are connected to the domain.
The issue seems to have started a few weeks ago after the last round of Win=
dows Updates were installed on those computers. As a result, the Windows Fi=
rewall services and its dependency services all got turned off on those com=
puters and can't be re-enabled either. Also, RDP access to those computers =
won't work either. I suspected a group policy of some sort might be the cau=
se but we use little to no group policy administration on our campus at all=
. Upon further investigation, we found that there seems to be some cause to=
this due to some registry permissions that seemed to have changed after th=
e aforementioned Windows Updates were installed. I have a feeling that the =
problem lies with how the computers are authenticating to the domain, but c=
an't confirm that prognosis.
I've tried everything to fix this issue from changing group policy settings=
, to removing/re-adding the computers to the domain. Nothing seems to have =
worked permanently or at least completely. We have managed to do some on th=
e spot MacGyvering to fix the issue (i.e. manually applying administrative =
permissions to certain keys in the registry on those computers as suggested=
by a few online articles) but they are temporary band-aids at best.
Has anyone else run into this? Any permanent fixes/solutions that you can s=
uggest?
regards,
Adeel Siddiqui
Network Administrator<http://www.usao.edu/staff/adeel-siddiqui>
Information, Research and Network Services
University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma<http://www.usao.edu/>
Chickasha, OK 73018
(405) 574-1319<tel:%28405%29%20574-1319>
asiddiqui@usao.edu<mailto:asiddiqui@usao.edu>
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st:Ignore'>·<span style=3D'font:7.0pt "Times New Roman"'>  =
; </span></span></span><![endif]><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'>I=
f you believe this event occurred after a Windows Update, have you identifi=
ed the update or updates?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoListParagraph =
style=3D'text-indent:-.25in;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1'><![if !supportLists]><=
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nbsp; </span></span></span><![end=
if]><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:black'>To rule out Windows Updates I would try uninstalling the update (o=
ne by one if you are not positive of the specific update), reboot the serve=
r and see if this resolves the issue<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";colo=
r:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'fo=
nt-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> <=
/o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-f=
amily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>**********=
*********************<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Bob Moffitt<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Network Administra=
tor<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0p=
t;color:black'>Information Technology Dept<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;color:black'>Brooks School<o:p></o=
:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt;color:bla=
ck'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> =
</o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.=
0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-=
size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=
=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Resnet Forum [mail=
to:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Brock, Adam<br><b>Sent:</b=
> Wednesday, October 12, 2011 10:22 PM<br><b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.E=
DU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Windows 7/2008 not connecting to network...<o:p><=
/o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>To rule out a group policy issue, I’d create a=
new OU and block inheritance of all other policies. Then create the =
computer account there and join the machine to the domain. If the iss=
ue still crops up, you know it’s not group policy. If it doesn&=
#8217;t, start linking GPOs one by one.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>You =
might want to compare rights on the BFE and Windows Firewall services using=
sc. If it’s a rights issue (and it sounds like it might be), t=
hat can give you an idea of what permissions are being altered. On on=
e occasion I made some typos modifying the permissions for a service, and i=
t caused all sorts of wonky behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNo=
rmal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";col=
or:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sc sdsh=
ow bfe<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>sc sdshow mpssvc<o:=
p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p>=
<p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma=
","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family=
:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Resnet Forum <a href=3D"mailto:[mailto:RESNET-L@LI=
STSERV.ND.EDU]">[mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]</a> <b>On Behalf Of </b>M=
ike King<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, October 12, 2011 4:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
<a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br=
><b>Subject:</b> Re: [RESNET-L] Windows 7/2008 not connecting to network...=
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal>I've also had "Issues" with Cisco ASA's and Server 2008=
being in the same subnet.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Short answer,<o:p></o:p></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Cisco ASA's have a "feature" called=
proxy arp, where if a device is misconfigured with the wrong gateway, the =
ASA will still respond, and mimic the wrong address, so your clients can co=
nnect to the network.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p>&n=
bsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>Server 2008/Windows 7 use pro=
xy arp to detect ip address conflicts. This causes them to compl=
etely freak out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> <=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On a sad note, when you have an ad=
dress conflict, it does not show a popup like XP used to. It will jus=
t show a different (usually APIPA address) as "Preferred" in the =
ipconfig /all<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:=
p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>Mike<o=
:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Wed, Oct 12, 2011 at 3:49 PM, Ade=
el Siddiqui <<a href=3D"mailto:asiddiqui@usao.edu">asiddiqui@usao.edu</a=
>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>We have a strange issue going o=
n our campus that’s causing our Windows 7 computers and Windows 2008 =
servers to completely lose network connectivity. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
MsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>&nbs=
p;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-=
margin-bottom-alt:auto'>This is only happening to computers that are connec=
ted to the domain. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMs=
oNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>The is=
sue seems to have started a few weeks ago after the last round of Windows U=
pdates were installed on those computers. As a result, the Windows Firewall=
services and its dependency services all got turned off on those computers=
and can’t be re-enabled either. Also, RDP access to those computers =
won’t work either. I suspected a group policy of some sort might be t=
he cause but we use little to no group policy administration on our campus =
at all. Upon further investigation, we found that there seems to be some ca=
use to this due to some registry permissions that seemed to have changed af=
ter the aforementioned Windows Updates were installed. I have a feeling tha=
t the problem lies with how the computers are authenticating to the domain,=
but can’t confirm that prognosis.<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal=
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></=
o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bo=
ttom-alt:auto'>I’ve tried everything to fix this issue from changing =
group policy settings, to removing/re-adding the computers to the domain. N=
othing seems to have worked permanently or at least completely. We have man=
aged to do some on the spot <i>MacGyvering</i> to fix the issue (i.e. manua=
lly applying administrative permissions to certain keys in the registry on =
those computers as suggested by a few online articles) but they are tempora=
ry band-aids at best. <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-marg=
in-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'>H=
as anyone else run into this? Any permanent fixes/solutions that you can su=
ggest?<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;=
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'> <o:p></o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal style=
=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto'><span style=3D'font=
-size:10.0pt'><br></span>regards,<span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'><br></spa=
n><i><span style=3D'color:black'>Adeel Siddiqui</span></i><b><i><span style=
=3D'font-size:14.0pt;color:black'><br></span></i></b><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:10.0pt'><br></span><i><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt'><a href=3D"http://=
www.usao.edu/staff/adeel-siddiqui" target=3D"_blank">Network Administrator<=
/a><br></span></i><span style=3D'font-size:8.0pt'>Information, Research and=
Network Services<br><b><a href=3D"http://www.usao.edu/" target=3D"_blank">=
University of Science and Arts of Oklahoma</a></b><br>Chickasha, OK 73=
018 <span style=3D'color:#1F497D'><br></span><a href=3D"tel:%28405%29%20574=
-1319" target=3D"_blank">(405) 574-1319</a><br><u><span style=3D'color:blac=
k'><a href=3D"mailto:asiddiqui@usao.edu" target=3D"_blank">asiddiqui@usao.e=
du</a></span></u></span><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt'> </span><o:p></o:p=
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