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Re: Students\parents who object to wireless?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brian Burchett)
Fri Sep 2 08:47:36 2011
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I believe that they are worried about the close proximity to access points =
contributing to sleep disruption, among other possible health risks.
I don't know of a quality study that demonstrates that access points affect=
our sleep negatively, but I have seen several online articles making this =
claim. It's simply not an issue that I've felt the need to investigate, so=
I'm not claiming to know one way or the other the validity of this parenta=
l concern.
Brian Burchett
Learning Spaces
OIT - Notre Dame
On Sep 2, 2011, at 7:46 AM, Peter P Morrissey wrote:
I wonder if they allow their daughter to use a cell phone? I also wonder if=
they ever had a cordless phone in their home, a microwave oven, or a baby =
monitor in their daughter=92s room when she was growing up?
We had a situation once where we had roughed out an installation for an AP =
and it happened to be above a woman=92s desk. She got very upset. In the e=
nd we decided to just quietly abandon that installation and install the AP =
somewhere else. It is in some ways a lose/lose. If you move it then the per=
son can think =93see, why did they move it if there is no risk then?=94 If =
you don=92t move it then there is just an ongoing battle and potential disr=
uption and bad feelings.
There have been movements in some school districts to prohibit WiFi due to =
perceived health risks. This wiki does a pretty good job summarizing a lot =
of the questions and studies with some good references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_electronic_devices_and_health
Pete M.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Web=
ster
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 12:32 AM
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Subject: Re: Students\parents who object to wireless?
What is it that these parents are afraid of? The RF signal is the only thin=
g I can come up with, and that's going to penetrate the room whether it's m=
ounted in the room or outside in the hallway.
Based on what you said about cost recovery, I assume these APs are treated =
as part of the building infrastructure, much like the in-wall wiring or plu=
mbing. If that's the case, my off-the-cuff thought is that it's part of the=
building and if the parents or students don't like it, they can either a) =
suck it up, or b) ask to be moved.
But it's 12:30am and my mind is tired. Perhaps I'm missing a really obvious=
reason one wouldn't want to share a room with an AP (just think of all the=
awesome SUPER-FAST internets you could get being that close!)
-Chris
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Caroline Couture <caroline@pobox.upenn.edu<=
mailto:caroline@pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
Hi Folks!
It doesn't happen often but again this year we have a student\parents who h=
ave objected to having an access point in the room. Our access points are w=
all-mounted with no cover in the room.
Do you fine in such cases? How much?
What have you done in this situation?
We do have language in the student handbook about not vandalizing the ap an=
d have a cost, @$50.00, associated with tampering.
We have, jokingly, thought about about just covering the box and telling th=
e family that they are "protected." But that seems both disingenuous and al=
so seems to encourage not proven ideas.
We could perhaps move the student but we would have to talk to our housing =
folks about moving him. The other incident we had the student refused to be=
moved.
We could have the ap moved but that might cause coverage problems in the ar=
ea. We also have a cost recovery model in place so someone would have to fo=
ot the bill for moving the ap and any changes to wiring.
It seems to me that this may be a growing problem with people conflating wi=
reless and the possible issues with cell phones and also more and more peop=
le having a deep distrust of technology and those who say such tech is safe=
.
Thanks for any insight you can provide.
Caroline
Use what seems like poison as medicine. Use your personal suffering as the =
path to compassion for all beings. -- Pema Chodron
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space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><div>I believe that they a=
re worried about the close proximity to access points contributing to sleep=
disruption, among other possible health risks.</div><div><br></div><div>I =
don't know of a quality study that demonstrates that access points affect o=
ur sleep negatively, but I have seen several online articles making this cl=
aim. It's simply not an issue that I've felt the need to investigate,=
so I'm not claiming to know one way or the other the validity of this pare=
ntal concern.</div><div><br></div><div>Brian Burchett</div><div>Learning Sp=
aces</div><div>OIT - Notre Dame</div><div><br></div><br><div><div>On Sep 2,=
2011, at 7:46 AM, Peter P Morrissey wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interch=
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f; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I wonder if they allow their daughter to use =
a cell phone? I also wonder if they ever had a cordless phone in their home=
, a microwave oven, or a baby monitor in their daughter=92s room when she w=
as growing up?<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; marg=
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0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-ser=
if; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We had a situation once where we had roughed=
out an installation for an AP and it happened to be above a woman=92=
s desk. She got very upset. In the end we decided to just quietly abandon t=
hat installation and install the AP somewhere else. It is in some ways a lo=
se/lose. If you move it then the person can think =93see, why did they move=
it if there is no risk then?=94 If you don=92t move it then there is just =
an ongoing battle and potential disruption and bad feelings.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt=
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">There have been movements in some school districts to prohibit WiFi due t=
o perceived health risks. This wiki does a pretty good job summarizing a lo=
t of the questions and studies with some good references:<o:p></o:p></span>=
</div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; f=
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e-converted-space"> </span>Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.E=
DU]<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Chris Webster<br><b>Sent:<=
/b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Friday, September 02,=
2011 12:32 AM<br><b>To:</b><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </s=
pan><a href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" style=3D"color: blue; text-=
decoration: underline; ">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b><sp=
an class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: Students\parents who ob=
ject to wireless?<o:p></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', ser=
if; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><o:p> </o:p></div><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size:=
12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-botto=
m: 12pt; ">What is it that these parents are afraid of? The RF signal is th=
e only thing I can come up with, and that's going to penetrate the room whe=
ther it's mounted in the room or outside in the hallway.<span class=3D"Appl=
e-converted-space"> </span><br><br>Based on what you said about cost r=
ecovery, I assume these APs are treated as part of the building infrastruct=
ure, much like the in-wall wiring or plumbing. If that's the case, my off-t=
he-cuff thought is that it's part of the building and if the parents or stu=
dents don't like it, they can either a) suck it up, or b) ask to be moved.<=
br><br>But it's 12:30am and my mind is tired. Perhaps I'm missing a really =
obvious reason one wouldn't want to share a room with an AP (just think of =
all the awesome SUPER-FAST internets you could get being that close!)<br><b=
r>-Chris<br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin=
-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-=
top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Caroli=
ne Couture <<a href=3D"mailto:caroline@pobox.upenn.edu" style=3D"color: =
blue; text-decoration: underline; ">caroline@pobox.upenn.edu</a>> wrote:=
<o:p></o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-si=
ze: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bo=
ttom: 0.0001pt; ">Hi Folks!<br><br>It doesn't happen often but again this y=
ear we have a student\parents who have objected to having an access point i=
n the room. Our access points are wall-mounted with no cover in the room.<b=
r><br>Do you fine in such cases? How much?<br><br>What have you done in thi=
s situation?<br><br>We do have language in the student handbook about not v=
andalizing the ap and have a cost, @$50.00, associated with tampering.<br><=
br>We have, jokingly, thought about about just covering the box and telling=
the family that they are "protected." But that seems both disingenuous and=
also seems to encourage not proven ideas.<br><br>We could perhaps move the=
student but we would have to talk to our housing folks about moving him. T=
he other incident we had the student refused to be moved.<br><br>We could h=
ave the ap moved but that might cause coverage problems in the area. We als=
o have a cost recovery model in place so someone would have to foot the bil=
l for moving the ap and any changes to wiring.<br><br>It seems to me that t=
his may be a growing problem with people conflating wireless and the possib=
le issues with cell phones and also more and more people having a deep dist=
rust of technology and those who say such tech is safe.<br><br>Thanks for a=
ny insight you can provide.<br><br>Caroline<br><br>Use what seems like pois=
on as medicine. Use your personal suffering as the path to compassion for a=
ll beings. -- Pema Chodron<br><br>_________________________________________=
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