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Re: Students\parents who object to wireless?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter P Morrissey)
Fri Sep 2 07:49:21 2011
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I wonder if they allow their daughter to use a cell phone? I also wonder if=
they ever had a cordless phone in their home, a microwave oven, or a baby =
monitor in their daughter's room when she was growing up?
We had a situation once where we had roughed out an installation for an AP =
and it happened to be above a woman's desk. She got very upset. In the end=
we decided to just quietly abandon that installation and install the AP so=
mewhere else. It is in some ways a lose/lose. If you move it then the perso=
n can think "see, why did they move it if there is no risk then?" If you do=
n't move it then there is just an ongoing battle and potential disruption a=
nd bad feelings.
There have been movements in some school districts to prohibit WiFi due to =
perceived health risks. This wiki does a pretty good job summarizing a lot =
of the questions and studies with some good references:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_electronic_devices_and_health
Pete M.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Chris Web=
ster
Sent: Friday, September 02, 2011 12:32 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Students\parents who object to wireless?
What is it that these parents are afraid of? The RF signal is the only thin=
g I can come up with, and that's going to penetrate the room whether it's m=
ounted in the room or outside in the hallway.
Based on what you said about cost recovery, I assume these APs are treated =
as part of the building infrastructure, much like the in-wall wiring or plu=
mbing. If that's the case, my off-the-cuff thought is that it's part of the=
building and if the parents or students don't like it, they can either a) =
suck it up, or b) ask to be moved.
But it's 12:30am and my mind is tired. Perhaps I'm missing a really obvious=
reason one wouldn't want to share a room with an AP (just think of all the=
awesome SUPER-FAST internets you could get being that close!)
-Chris
On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Caroline Couture <caroline@pobox.upenn.edu<=
mailto:caroline@pobox.upenn.edu>> wrote:
Hi Folks!
It doesn't happen often but again this year we have a student\parents who h=
ave objected to having an access point in the room. Our access points are w=
all-mounted with no cover in the room.
Do you fine in such cases? How much?
What have you done in this situation?
We do have language in the student handbook about not vandalizing the ap an=
d have a cost, @$50.00, associated with tampering.
We have, jokingly, thought about about just covering the box and telling th=
e family that they are "protected." But that seems both disingenuous and al=
so seems to encourage not proven ideas.
We could perhaps move the student but we would have to talk to our housing =
folks about moving him. The other incident we had the student refused to be=
moved.
We could have the ap moved but that might cause coverage problems in the ar=
ea. We also have a cost recovery model in place so someone would have to fo=
ot the bill for moving the ap and any changes to wiring.
It seems to me that this may be a growing problem with people conflating wi=
reless and the possible issues with cell phones and also more and more peop=
le having a deep distrust of technology and those who say such tech is safe=
.
Thanks for any insight you can provide.
Caroline
Use what seems like poison as medicine. Use your personal suffering as the =
path to compassion for all beings. -- Pema Chodron
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">I wonder if they allow th=
eir daughter to use a cell phone? I also wonder if they ever had a cordless=
phone in their home, a microwave oven, or a baby monitor
in their daughter’s room when she was growing up?<o:p></o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">We had a situation once w=
here we had roughed out an installation for an AP and it happened to =
be above a woman’s desk. She got very upset. In the end we decided
to just quietly abandon that installation and install the AP somewhere els=
e. It is in some ways a lose/lose. If you move it then the person can think=
“see, why did they move it if there is no risk then?” If you d=
on’t move it then there is just an ongoing battle
and potential disruption and bad feelings. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">There have been movements=
in some school districts to prohibit WiFi due to perceived health risks. T=
his wiki does a pretty good job summarizing a lot of the
questions and studies with some good references:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_ele=
ctronic_devices_and_health">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_electroni=
c_devices_and_health</a><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Pete M.<span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&=
quot;Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span>=
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
;Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Resnet F=
orum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Chris Webster<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, September 02, 2011 12:32 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: Students\parents who object to wireless?<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt">What is it that these=
parents are afraid of? The RF signal is the only thing I can come up with,=
and that's going to penetrate the room whether it's mounted in the room or=
outside in the hallway.
<br>
<br>
Based on what you said about cost recovery, I assume these APs are treated =
as part of the building infrastructure, much like the in-wall wiring or plu=
mbing. If that's the case, my off-the-cuff thought is that it's part of the=
building and if the parents or
students don't like it, they can either a) suck it up, or b) ask to be mov=
ed.<br>
<br>
But it's 12:30am and my mind is tired. Perhaps I'm missing a really obvious=
reason one wouldn't want to share a room with an AP (just think of all the=
awesome SUPER-FAST internets you could get being that close!)<br>
<br>
-Chris<br>
<br>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Sep 1, 2011 at 6:16 PM, Caroline Couture <=
;<a href=3D"mailto:caroline@pobox.upenn.edu">caroline@pobox.upenn.edu</a>&g=
t; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi Folks!<br>
<br>
It doesn't happen often but again this year we have a student\parents who h=
ave objected to having an access point in the room. Our access points are w=
all-mounted with no cover in the room.<br>
<br>
Do you fine in such cases? How much?<br>
<br>
What have you done in this situation?<br>
<br>
We do have language in the student handbook about not vandalizing the ap an=
d have a cost, @$50.00, associated with tampering.<br>
<br>
We have, jokingly, thought about about just covering the box and telling th=
e family that they are "protected." But that seems both disingenu=
ous and also seems to encourage not proven ideas.<br>
<br>
We could perhaps move the student but we would have to talk to our housing =
folks about moving him. The other incident we had the student refused to be=
moved.<br>
<br>
We could have the ap moved but that might cause coverage problems in the ar=
ea. We also have a cost recovery model in place so someone would have to fo=
ot the bill for moving the ap and any changes to wiring.<br>
<br>
It seems to me that this may be a growing problem with people conflating wi=
reless and the possible issues with cell phones and also more and more peop=
le having a deep distrust of technology and those who say such tech is safe=
.<br>
<br>
Thanks for any insight you can provide.<br>
<br>
Caroline<br>
<br>
Use what seems like poison as medicine. Use your personal suffering as the =
path to compassion for all beings. -- Pema Chodron<br>
<br>
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OIT Walk-in Center<br>
North Carolina State University<br>
<br>
Ph: 919.513.2676<br>
Fax: 919.513.2945<br>
Email: <a href=3D"mailto:chris.webster@ncsu.edu" target=3D"_blank">chris.we=
bster@ncsu.edu</a><br>
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