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Re: IPv6 Address Blocks
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen Wilson)
Mon Aug 15 09:15:26 2011
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Ken,
An IPv6 /48 network isn't really equivalent to an IPv4 class B. In a /48, =
you will have 65,536 /64 subnets, each of which is theoretically capable of=
hosting every computer ever made (EUI-64 addressing). Here at WCU we've b=
een allocated a /48 from our ISP, which I believe is true for all of the UN=
C schools.
Stephen Wilson
Network Manager
WCU Networking and Telecommunications
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of ken whitt=
aker
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 8:56 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: IPv6 Address Blocks
Scott,
I've been pondering getting into the IPv6 world but don't
have a real need at the present time. I've been reading where
there's no time like the present to do this but I'm just not
sure of where it will take us at the present time. But any
way if one was to go and do this I would think that the /48
would give one enough address space to work with. After all
it seems that it's equivalent to a ipv4 class B which for Keene
would be just fine. Unless I'm all wet and there's more to it
than I understand. Am I comparing apples to apples or is it
apples to cumquats ....
ken ---
ken whittaker
kwhittaker@keene.edu<mailto:kwhittaker@keene.edu>
On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Kitterman, Scott wrote:
Hello Tony,
The University of new Hampshire acquired a /48 a couple years ago as that =
is what ARIN was offering. Since then ARIN policy has changed and they are=
more inclined to issue /32s to higher Ed if you can make a case as a LIR (=
local Internet Registry). We are currently in the process of transitioning=
to a /32. Some general items that may qualify your college is if your ins=
titution has customers outside the college, like k-12 schools, libraries, n=
on-profits, remote sites (research sites) or possibly even separate departm=
ents like CS, Electrical Eng., Physics or others.
In general we plan to assign /48s to different groups at UNH such as CS, RC=
C (Research Computing), UNH-IOL (interoperability Lab), Cooperative Extensi=
on, distance learning, WIFI networks, and others.
I did a little research and other universities of the size and character of=
UNH all have /32s. It may seem like overkill and probably is but it seems =
to be the standard for institutions like UNH. The more research I did the=
more convinced I became that a /48 would at some point limit or capabiliti=
es. As a final check, I asked industry leader in IPv6 testing and certific=
ation, UNH IOL (www.iol.unh.edu<http://www.iol.unh.edu>) , what they though=
t and they confirmed that a /32 is the norm for our type of scenario.
We have around 12k undergrads and act as an ISP for various groups around t=
he state. The /32 should give us the opportunity provide IPv6 services lim=
ited only by imagination.
I hope this is some help. Let me know if you have further questions.
Thank You,
Scott Kitterman
UNH IT
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]<mailto:[mailto:RESNET-=
L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]> On Behalf Of Tony Skalski
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:32 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU>
Subject: Re: IPv6 Address Blocks
You can easily get a /48 - that's what we got. My understanding is that is =
what most folks will get. If you can make a good case you might be able to =
get something slightly larger (like a /46).
A /48 should be plenty big...
ajs
On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Fred Mowchan <mowchafl@acu.edu<mailto:mowc=
hafl@acu.edu>> wrote:
I'm about ready to make a request to ARIN for a block of IPv6 addres=
ses and I'm not sure what size block I should request.
I know that a /32 is about the size recommended for an ISP (which I think a=
University is) but I sure would like to see what other universities are p=
lanning for.
I've got an IPv4 "B" block now and with about 5000 students it gives=
me lots of good options without having to compromise any addressing plans.=
The /32 would get me 79 septillion IP addresses...seems like enough ;-)... =
but what's the going reservation size you have or are contemplating?
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nk=3Dpurple><div class=3DWordSection1><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Ken,<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p=
class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","s=
ans-serif";color:#1F497D'>An IPv6 /48 network isn’t really equivalent=
to an IPv4 class B. In a /48, you will have 65,536 /64 subnets, each=
of which is theoretically capable of hosting every computer ever made (EUI=
-64 addressing). Here at WCU we’ve been allocated a /48 from ou=
r ISP, which I believe is true for all of the UNC schools.<o:p></o:p></span=
></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Cali=
bri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMso=
Normal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";c=
olor:#1F497D'>Stephen Wilson<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Network Manager<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D=
'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>WCU Net=
working and Telecommunications<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><s=
pan style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F4=
97D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div style=3D'border:none;border-top:=
solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in 0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Res=
net Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>ken whittak=
er<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, August 15, 2011 8:56 AM<br><b>To:</b> RESNET-L@L=
ISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: IPv6 Address Blocks<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNor=
mal> Scott,<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=
=3Dapple-tab-span> &nb=
sp; </span> I've been pondering getting into the IPv6 worl=
d but don't<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapp=
le-tab-span> &nb=
sp; </span>have a real need at the present time. I've been readi=
ng where<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-=
tab-span> =
</span>there's no time like the present to do this but I'm just not<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-tab-span> =
</span>sure of=
where it will take us at the present time. But any <o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-tab-span>  =
; </span>way if one w=
as to go and do this I would think that the /48 <o:p></o:p></p><div><d=
iv><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica","sans-serif";color:black'> <span class=3Dapple-tab-span>&nbs=
p; </span> </span><span styl=
e=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic Sans MS'","serif";color:black'>&n=
bsp;would give one enough address space to work with. After all</span=
><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color=
:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=
=3Dapple-tab-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic Sans =
MS'","serif";color:black'> &=
nbsp; </span></span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic San=
s MS'","serif";color:black'>it seems that it's equivalent to a ipv4 class B=
which for Keene </span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"H=
elvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-tab-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt=
;font-family:"'Comic Sans MS'","serif";color:black'>  =
; </span></span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5=
pt;font-family:"'Comic Sans MS'","serif";color:black'>would be just fine. &=
nbsp;Unless I'm all wet and there's more to it </span><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></o:=
p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span class=3Dapple-tab-span><=
span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic Sans MS'","serif";color:=
black'> </span></span=
><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic Sans MS'","serif";colo=
r:black'>than I understand. Am I comparing apples to apples or is it<=
/span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";=
color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span cl=
ass=3Dapple-tab-span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic Sa=
ns MS'","serif";color:black'> &nbs=
p; </span></span><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"'Comic =
Sans MS'","serif";color:black'>apples to cumquats ....</span><span style=3D=
'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p></=
o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.=
5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><br> &nbs=
p; ken ---<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=
=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p=
> </o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font=
-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'>ken whittake=
r<o:p></o:p></span></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-=
size:13.5pt;font-family:"Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:kwhittaker@keene.edu">kwhittaker@keene.edu</a><o:p></o:p></span></p></=
div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"=
Helvetica","sans-serif";color:black'><o:p> </o:p></span></p></div></di=
v><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:13.5pt;font-family:"Comic S=
ans MS";color:black'><br><br></span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNorm=
al><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Aug 10, 2011, at =
3:03 PM, Kitterman, Scott wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><=
br><br><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-si=
ze:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Hello Tony,</sp=
an><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:=
11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;f=
ont-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>The University of new Hamp=
shire acquired a /48 a couple years ago as that is what ARIN was offe=
ring. Since then ARIN policy has changed and they are more inclined t=
o issue /32s to higher Ed if you can make a case as a LIR (local Internet R=
egistry). We are currently in the process of transitioning to a /32.&=
nbsp; Some general items that may qualify your college is if your instituti=
on has customers outside the college, like k-12 schools, libraries, non-pro=
fits, remote sites (research sites) or possibly even separate departments l=
ike CS, Electrical Eng., Physics or others.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div=
><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri"=
,"sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p clas=
s=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-s=
erif";color:#1F497D'>In general we plan to assign /48s to different groups =
at UNH such as CS, RCC (Research Computing), UNH-IOL (interoperability Lab)=
, Cooperative Extension, distance learning, WIFI networks, and others.</spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:1=
1.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p><=
/o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;fo=
nt-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I did a little research and=
other universities of the size and character of UNH all have /32s. It may =
seem like overkill and probably is but it seems to be the standard for inst=
itutions like UNH. The more research I did the more convinced I=
became that a /48 would at some point limit or capabilities. As a fi=
nal check, I asked industry leader in IPv6 testing and certification, UNH I=
OL (<a href=3D"http://www.iol.unh.edu">www.iol.unh.edu</a>) , what they tho=
ught and they confirmed that a /32 is the norm for our type of scenario.</s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p=
></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;=
font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>We have around 12k underg=
rads and act as an ISP for various groups around the state. The /32 s=
hould give us the opportunity provide IPv6 services limited only by imagina=
tion.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </s=
pan><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size=
:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>I hope this is so=
me help. Let me know if you have further questions.</span><o:p></o:p>=
</p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-fa=
mily:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></di=
v><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><=
p class=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","=
sans-serif";color:#1F497D'>Thank You,</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cl=
ass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans=
-serif";color:#1F497D'>Scott Kitterman</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p c=
lass=3DMsoNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","san=
s-serif";color:#1F497D'>UNH IT</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DM=
soNormal><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif"=
;color:#1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal=
><span style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#=
1F497D'> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><spa=
n style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;fon=
t-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> </span></span><span style=3D'font-siz=
e:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Resnet Forum <a href=3D"mailto:=
[mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]">[mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]</a><sp=
an class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span class=3D=
apple-converted-space> </span></b>Tony Skalski<br><b>Sent:</b><span cl=
ass=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:32 AM<b=
r><b>To:</b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span><a href=3D"mai=
lto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</=
b><span class=3Dapple-converted-space> </span>Re: IPv6 Address Blocks<=
/span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p><=
/div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>You can easily get a /48 - that's what we go=
t. My understanding is that is what most folks will get. If you can make a =
good case you might be able to get something slightly larger (like a /46).<=
o:p></o:p></p></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>A /48 should be plenty big...<o:p><=
/o:p></p></div></div><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></=
div></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'>ajs<o:p>=
</o:p></p><div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal>On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:21 AM, F=
red Mowchan <<a href=3D"mailto:mowchafl@acu.edu">mowchafl@acu.edu</a>>=
; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal> =
I'm about ready to make a request to ARIN for a block of IPv6 addres=
ses and I'm not sure what size block I should request.<br>I know that a /32=
is about the size recommended for an ISP (which I think a University is) &=
nbsp;but I sure would like to see what other universities are planning for.=
<br> I've got an IPv4 "B" block now and=
with about 5000 students it gives me lots of good options without having t=
o compromise any addressing plans.<br>The /32 would get me 79 septillion IP=
addresses...seems like enough ;-)... but what's the going reservation size=
you have or are contemplating?<br><br><br>________________________________=
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