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Re: IPv6 Address Blocks
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (ken whittaker)
Mon Aug 15 08:58:05 2011
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Scott,
I've been pondering getting into the IPv6 world but don't
have a real need at the present time. I've been reading where
there's no time like the present to do this but I'm just not
sure of where it will take us at the present time. But any=20
way if one was to go and do this I would think that the /48=20
would give one enough address space to work with. After all
it seems that it's equivalent to a ipv4 class B which for Keene=20=
would be just fine. Unless I'm all wet and there's more to it=20=
than I understand. Am I comparing apples to apples or is it
apples to cumquats ....
ken ---
ken whittaker
kwhittaker@keene.edu
On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Kitterman, Scott wrote:
> Hello Tony,
> =20
> The University of new Hampshire acquired a /48 a couple years ago as =
that is what ARIN was offering. Since then ARIN policy has changed and =
they are more inclined to issue /32s to higher Ed if you can make a case =
as a LIR (local Internet Registry). We are currently in the process of =
transitioning to a /32. Some general items that may qualify your =
college is if your institution has customers outside the college, like =
k-12 schools, libraries, non-profits, remote sites (research sites) or =
possibly even separate departments like CS, Electrical Eng., Physics or =
others.
> =20
> In general we plan to assign /48s to different groups at UNH such as =
CS, RCC (Research Computing), UNH-IOL (interoperability Lab), =
Cooperative Extension, distance learning, WIFI networks, and others.
> =20
> I did a little research and other universities of the size and =
character of UNH all have /32s. It may seem like overkill and probably =
is but it seems to be the standard for institutions like UNH. The more =
research I did the more convinced I became that a /48 would at some =
point limit or capabilities. As a final check, I asked industry leader =
in IPv6 testing and certification, UNH IOL (www.iol.unh.edu) , what they =
thought and they confirmed that a /32 is the norm for our type of =
scenario.
> =20
> We have around 12k undergrads and act as an ISP for various groups =
around the state. The /32 should give us the opportunity provide IPv6 =
services limited only by imagination.
> =20
> I hope this is some help. Let me know if you have further questions.
> =20
> =20
> Thank You,
> Scott Kitterman
> UNH IT
> =20
> =20
> From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Tony =
Skalski
> Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2011 11:32 AM
> To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
> Subject: Re: IPv6 Address Blocks
> =20
> You can easily get a /48 - that's what we got. My understanding is =
that is what most folks will get. If you can make a good case you might =
be able to get something slightly larger (like a /46).
> =20
> A /48 should be plenty big...
> =20
> ajs
>=20
> On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 at 10:21 AM, Fred Mowchan <mowchafl@acu.edu> =
wrote:
> I'm about ready to make a request to ARIN for a block of IPv6 =
addresses and I'm not sure what size block I should request.
> I know that a /32 is about the size recommended for an ISP (which I =
think a University is) but I sure would like to see what other =
universities are planning for.
> I've got an IPv4 "B" block now and with about 5000 students it =
gives me lots of good options without having to compromise any =
addressing plans.
> The /32 would get me 79 septillion IP addresses...seems like enough =
;-)... but what's the going reservation size you have or are =
contemplating?
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> Tony Skalski
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> ajs@stolaf.edu
> 507-786-3227
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<html><head><base href=3D"x-msg://865/"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "> Scott,<div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span"=
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> I've been pondering =
getting into the IPv6 world but don't</div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>have a real need at the present time. I've been =
reading where</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>there's no time like the present =
to do this but I'm just not</div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>sure of where it will take us at =
the present time. But any </div><div><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>way if =
one was to go and do this I would think that the /48 <br><div>
<span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; =
color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-align: auto; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
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0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: separate; color: =
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: medium; font-style: =
normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: =
normal; line-height: normal; orphans: 2; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; "><div style=3D"word-wrap: =
break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: =
after-white-space; "><div> <span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span> <font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Comic Sans MS'"> would give one =
enough address space to work with. After =
all</font></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Comic =
Sans MS'"> </font></span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Comic Sans MS'">it seems that it's equivalent to a ipv4 class B =
which for Keene </font></div><div><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" =
style=3D"white-space:pre"><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Comic =
Sans MS'"> </font></span><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" =
face=3D"'Comic Sans MS'">would be just fine. Unless I'm all wet =
and there's more to it </font></div><div><font =
class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Comic Sans MS'"><span =
class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> </span>than I =
understand. Am I comparing apples to apples or is =
it</font></div><div><font class=3D"Apple-style-span" face=3D"'Comic Sans =
MS'"><span class=3D"Apple-tab-span" style=3D"white-space:pre"> =
</span>apples to cumquats ....</font></div><div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"> ken =
---</div><div><br></div><div>ken whittaker</div><div><a =
href=3D"mailto:kwhittaker@keene.edu">kwhittaker@keene.edu</a></div><div><b=
r></div></div></span><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"></span><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline">
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<br><div><div>On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:03 PM, Kitterman, Scott =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote =
type=3D"cite"><span class=3D"Apple-style-span" style=3D"border-collapse: =
separate; font-family: 'Comic Sans MS'; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
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-webkit-border-horizontal-spacing: 0px; -webkit-border-vertical-spacing: =
0px; -webkit-text-decorations-in-effect: none; -webkit-text-size-adjust: =
auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; font-size: medium; "><div =
lang=3D"EN-US" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div class=3D"WordSection1" =
style=3D"page: WordSection1; "><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Hello Tony,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">The University of new Hampshire acquired a /48 =
a couple years ago as that is what ARIN was offering. Since =
then ARIN policy has changed and they are more inclined to issue /32s to =
higher Ed if you can make a case as a LIR (local Internet =
Registry). We are currently in the process of transitioning to a =
/32. Some general items that may qualify your college is if your =
institution has customers outside the college, like k-12 schools, =
libraries, non-profits, remote sites (research sites) or possibly even =
separate departments like CS, Electrical Eng., Physics or =
others.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">In general we plan to assign /48s =
to different groups at UNH such as CS, RCC (Research Computing), UNH-IOL =
(interoperability Lab), Cooperative Extension, distance learning, WIFI =
networks, and others.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I did a little research and other =
universities of the size and character of UNH all have /32s. It may seem =
like overkill and probably is but it seems to be the standard for =
institutions like UNH. The more research I did the more =
convinced I became that a /48 would at some point limit or =
capabilities. As a final check, I asked industry leader in IPv6 =
testing and certification, UNH IOL (<a href=3D"http://www.iol.unh.edu" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; ">www.iol.unh.edu</a>) =
, what they thought and they confirmed that a /32 is the norm for our =
type of scenario.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">We have around 12k undergrads and =
act as an ISP for various groups around the state. The /32 should =
give us the opportunity provide IPv6 services limited only by =
imagination.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">I hope this is some help. =
Let me know if you have further questions.<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Thank =
You,<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); ">Scott Kitterman<o:p></o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); ">UNH =
IT<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: =
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: =
0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); =
"><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; "><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125); "><o:p> </o:p></span></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "><b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, =
sans-serif; ">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size: 10pt; =
font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif; "><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Resnet Forum =
[mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b>On Behalf Of<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Tony =
Skalski<br><b>Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, June 09, 2011 =
11:32 AM<br><b>To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU" style=3D"color: blue; =
text-decoration: underline; =
">RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU</a><br><b>Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: IPv6 Address =
Blocks<o:p></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: =
0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: =
0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">You can easily get a /48 - that's what =
we got. My understanding is that is what most folks will get. If you can =
make a good case you might be able to get something slightly larger =
(like a /46).<o:p></o:p></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">A /48 should be =
plenty big...<o:p></o:p></div></div><div><div style=3D"margin-right: =
0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; =
"><o:p> </o:p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
12pt; ">ajs<o:p></o:p></p><div><div style=3D"margin-right: 0in; =
margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: 0.0001pt; ">On Thu, Jun 9, 2011 =
at 10:21 AM, Fred Mowchan <<a href=3D"mailto:mowchafl@acu.edu" =
style=3D"color: blue; text-decoration: underline; =
">mowchafl@acu.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></div><div =
style=3D"margin-right: 0in; margin-left: 0in; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif; margin-top: 0in; margin-bottom: =
0.0001pt; "> I'm about ready to make a request =
to ARIN for a block of IPv6 addresses and I'm not sure what size block I =
should request.<br>I know that a /32 is about the size recommended for =
an ISP (which I think a University is) but I sure would like to =
see what other universities are planning for.<br> =
I've got an IPv4 "B" block now and with about 5000 students it =
gives me lots of good options without having to compromise any =
addressing plans.<br>The /32 would get me 79 septillion IP =
addresses...seems like enough ;-)... but what's the going reservation =
size you have or are =
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