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Re: Wireless in the Dorms
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Rob Whalen)
Thu Mar 31 13:24:34 2011
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I forgot to mention that Meru has a rogue AP feature that will =
triangulate the location of rogues for you.
Rob
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From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Paul H =
Wagner
Sent: Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:03 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: Wireless in the Dorms
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We=E2=80=99re running Extricom radios and Cisco switches (installed in =
=E2=80=9906-=E2=80=9907) and, as of last summer, SafeConnect as our NAC =
(we were previously a Clean Access campus). We=E2=80=99re offering =
802.11b/g, with the hopes that N will be in our not-too-distant future. =
We installed APs in residents=E2=80=99 rooms (using the Ethernet jacks =
already available there).
=20
By far our biggest problem was interference caused by students=E2=80=99 =
personal wireless routers (and, to a lesser extent, wireless printers). =
We tried for years to have students configure their routers to operate =
on channel 11 (we use channels 1 and 6 for B and G), but by this school =
year there were nearly twice as many personal wireless routers as NAU =
APs. Our signal was simply being drowned out. So, working closely with =
our Residence Life department, we made the move last semester to ban =
personal wireless routers from our residence halls. This was a painful =
idea for lots of students who had grown accustomed to the perceived =
freedoms and benefits a personal wireless router granted them, but the =
ban has made for a night-and-day change for users=E2=80=99 ability to =
connect to our wireless network.
=20
We also (20/20 hindsight) didn=E2=80=99t initially install enough APs to =
provide adequate coverage. So we=E2=80=99re going back a second time and =
reinforcing almost all of our 21 residence halls.
=20
So those would be my two recommendations, from our experience: 1) get =
personal wireless routers out of your airspace; and 2) install your APs =
more densely than you think you need to right now.
=20
-Paul
=20
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Paul Wagner
Student Technology Center Team Lead
Information Technology Services
Northern Arizona University
(928) 523-6769
Paul.Wagner@nau.edu
http://www.nau.edu/stc
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From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Randy =
Ethridge
Sent: Monday, March 28, 2011 1:23 PM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Wireless in the Dorms
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We are adding wireless to our dorm space and I would like to know how =
other schools are running their wireless infrastructure in the dorms. =
Our dorms are the typical cinder block rooms stacked ontop of each =
other. We are a cisco shop and will be using the WISM and lightweight =
aps.=20
Are you running your system manually or is the controller doing a good =
job?
How dense is your ap deployment and what is the location of the ap (in =
the rooms or in the hallways)?
What feedback do you get from the users (good or bad)?
=20
Thanks.
Randy Ethridge
Network Engineer V
Information Services
Eastern Illinois University
rlethridge@eiu.edu
Proud to say "I am EIU"=20
EIU THINKS GREEN: Before printing this e-mail think if it is necessary=20
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D'>I forgot to mention that Meru has a rogue AP feature that will =
triangulate the location of rogues for you.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Rob<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
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0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Paul =
H Wagner<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, March 29, 2011 9:03 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: Wireless in the =
Dorms<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We=E2=80=99re running Extricom radios and Cisco switches (installed =
in =E2=80=9906-=E2=80=9907) and, as of last summer, SafeConnect as our =
NAC (we were previously a Clean Access campus). We=E2=80=99re offering =
802.11b/g, with the hopes that N will be in our not-too-distant future. =
We installed APs in residents=E2=80=99 rooms (using the Ethernet jacks =
already available there).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>By far our biggest problem was interference caused by =
students=E2=80=99 personal wireless routers (and, to a lesser extent, =
wireless printers). We tried for years to have students configure their =
routers to operate on channel 11 (we use channels 1 and 6 for B and G), =
but by this school year there were nearly twice as many personal =
wireless routers as NAU APs. Our signal was simply being drowned out. =
So, working closely with our Residence Life department, we made the move =
last semester to ban personal wireless routers from our residence halls. =
This was a painful idea for lots of students who had grown accustomed to =
the perceived freedoms and benefits a personal wireless router granted =
them, but the ban has made for a night-and-day change for users=E2=80=99 =
ability to connect to our wireless network.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>We also (20/20 hindsight) didn=E2=80=99t initially install enough APs =
to provide adequate coverage. So we=E2=80=99re going back a second time =
and reinforcing almost all of our 21 residence =
halls.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>So those would be my two recommendations, from our experience: 1) get =
personal wireless routers out of your airspace; and 2) install your APs =
more densely than you think you need to right =
now.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>-Paul<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Paul Wagner<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Student Technology Center Team Lead<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Information Technology Services<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>Northern Arizona University<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>(928) 523-6769<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><a =
href=3D"mailto:Paul.Wagner@nau.edu">Paul.Wagner@nau.edu</a><o:p></o:p></s=
pan></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><a =
href=3D"http://www.nau.edu/stc">http://www.nau.edu/stc</a><o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div><div =
style=3D'border:none;border-top:solid #B5C4DF 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0in =
0in 0in'><p class=3DMsoNormal><b><span =
style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span>=
</b><span style=3D'font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> =
Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Randy =
Ethridge<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, March 28, 2011 1:23 PM<br><b>To:</b> =
RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br><b>Subject:</b> Wireless in the =
Dorms<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p><span =
style=3D'color:black'>We are adding wireless to our dorm space and I =
would like to know how other schools are running their wireless =
infrastructure in the dorms. Our dorms are the typical cinder block =
rooms stacked ontop of each other. We are a cisco shop and will be using =
the WISM and lightweight aps. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Are you running your system manually or is the =
controller doing a good job?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:black'>How dense is your ap deployment and what is the =
location of the ap (in the rooms or in the =
hallways)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span style=3D'color:black'>What =
feedback do you get from the users (good or =
bad)?<o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p><span =
style=3D'color:black'>Thanks.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-bottom:12.0pt'><span style=3D'color:black'><br><br>Randy =
Ethridge<br>Network Engineer V<br>Information Services<br>Eastern =
Illinois University<br><a =
href=3D"mailto:rlethridge@eiu.edu">rlethridge@eiu.edu</a><br><br></span><=
span style=3D'color:#3333FF'>Proud to say "I am =
EIU"</span><span style=3D'color:black'> <br><br></span><span =
style=3D'color:#33CC00'>EIU THINKS GREEN: Before printing this e-mail =
think if it is necessary </span><span =
style=3D'color:black'><o:p></o:p></span></p></div><p =
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