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Re: Migrating FROM Google Apps TO Gmail
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Wendy Worlund)
Thu Mar 17 16:13:59 2016
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We don't babysit ours. It's a job you kick off and you end up getting
confirmation when it's complete. We like our tool a lot:)
Wendy Worlund
Manager of Client Services
UAH - Office of Information Technology
VBH M22
(256) 824-2616
wendy.worlund@uah.edu
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Doughty, Marc <marc_doughty@brown.edu>
wrote:
> > It sometimes takes hours of staff time to set-up and babysit the
> process.
>
> I would set the user up with Thunderbird configured to access Google IMAP
> and a local stoore, but let them do the copy on their own time. Google
> rate-limits transactions.
>
> An alternative would be to use Google Takeout, but I'm not sure how you
> would go about re-importing the email properly.
>
>
> - Marc Doughty
> "If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way
> vessel."
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bud Hiller <dhiller@bucknell.edu> wrote:
>
>> This is a particularly timely thread for us - we're in the process of
>> writing documentation and providing options for users here at Bucknell, but
>> part of that documentation will be very clear that we are not helping with
>> the process, even a little bit!
>>
>> We'll provide documentation that can be followed, and if they can't
>> follow it, we're going to recommend that they hire someone who can. Because
>> the situation that you describe, Rachel, is an endless hole of tech support
>> involving IMAP this and .csv that, transferring ownership of Docs, POP
>> server settings, etc. . . . none of which makes any sense to users, and
>> none of which can be easily explained over the phone or in person.
>>
>> Wendy, I'll look forward to your presentation in Vegas!
>>
>> Bud Hiller
>> Bucknell Univ
>> Lewisburg, PA
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Rachel Weaver <rboutili@macalester.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Suzanne, that's exactly why I asked. We have a similar situation -- all
>>> of the current processes for moving mail almost always result in a lot of
>>> IT staff time helping users through the process.
>>>
>>> Rachel Weaver
>>> Assistant Help Desk Manager
>>> Macalester College ITS
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Gaynor, Suzanne <gaynors@hartwick.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I agree with John. Here is my concern. Our school does not have a
>>>> prohibition about taking your mail with you when you go, so we are usually
>>>> asked to do this by faculty and staff who are leaving the College. It
>>>> sometimes takes hours of staff time to set-up and babysit the process. Has
>>>> anyone set any policies about what they will or won't do to help people who
>>>> are leaving? I do wish them all the best but some days I think we should
>>>> draw the line.
>>>> Suzanne
>>>>
>>>> Suzanne Gaynor
>>>> Director, Technology Resource Center
>>>> Hartwick College
>>>> gaynors@hartwick.edu
>>>> 607-431-4670
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:59 AM, John Nunnally <jnunnally@harding.edu>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> IMAP treats Google labels as folder names. So using the IMAP-capable
>>>>> email client of your choice (Outlook?), map both accounts and then move or
>>>>> copy "folders" from one to the other. The labels should be preserved, I
>>>>> believe. If you have messages labeled with multiple labels, the messages
>>>>> will get moved more than once. So that's a side effect. Copying folders
>>>>> this way is non-destructive. You can also drag and drop folders if you
>>>>> trust the process.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> JWN
>>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">We don't babysit ours. It's a job you kick off and=
you end up getting confirmation when it's complete. We like our tool a=
lot:)</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D=
"gmail_signature"><div dir=3D"ltr"><br>Wendy Worlund<br>Manager of Client S=
ervices<br>UAH - Office of Information Technology<br>VBH M22<br>(256) 824-2=
616<br><a href=3D"mailto:wendy.worlund@uah.edu" target=3D"_blank">wendy.wor=
lund@uah.edu</a></div></div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 2:01 PM, Doughty, Ma=
rc <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:marc_doughty@brown.edu" target=
=3D"_blank">marc_doughty@brown.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote cla=
ss=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pa=
dding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><span class=3D"">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"=
font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0It sometimes takes hours of staff time to set-up an=
d=C2=A0babysit the process.</span><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br=
></span></div></span><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">I would set the =
user up with Thunderbird configured to access Google IMAP and a local stoor=
e, but let them do the copy on their own time. Google rate-limits transacti=
ons.</span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><di=
v><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">An alternative would be to use Google Ta=
keout, but I'm not sure how you would go about re-importing the email p=
roperly.</span></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span class=3D"HOEnZb=
"><font color=3D"#888888"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><br>- Marc Doughty<br=
>"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-=
way vessel."</div></div></font></span><div><div class=3D"h5">
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bud Hiller=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dhiller@bucknell.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">dhiller@bucknell.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all;color:#000000">This is a particularly timely thread for us - we're =
in the process of writing documentation and providing options for users her=
e at Bucknell, but part of that documentation will be very clear that we ar=
e not helping with the process, even a little bit!</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">We'll provide doc=
umentation that can be followed, and if they can't follow it, we're=
going to recommend that they hire someone who can. Because the situation t=
hat you describe, Rachel, is an endless hole of tech support involving IMAP=
this and .csv that, transferring ownership of Docs, POP server settings, e=
tc. . . . none of which makes any sense to users, and none of which can be =
easily explained over the phone or in person.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">Wendy, I'll look=
forward to your presentation in Vegas!</div><span><font color=3D"#888888">=
<div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></=
div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">Bu=
d Hiller</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#=
000000">Bucknell Univ</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:=
small;color:#000000">Lewisburg, PA</div></font></span></div><div><div><div =
class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 a=
t 10:39 AM, Rachel Weaver <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rboutili@=
macalester.edu" target=3D"_blank">rboutili@macalester.edu</a>></span> wr=
ote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border=
-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Suzanne, that's=
exactly why I asked. We have a similar situation -- all of the current pro=
cesses for moving mail almost always result in a lot of IT staff time helpi=
ng users through the process.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span><=
br clear=3D"all"><div><div><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Rachel Weaver<br></div><di=
v>Assistant Help Desk Manager<br>Macalester College ITS<br><br></div></div>=
</div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:1=
4 AM, Gaynor, Suzanne <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gaynors@hartw=
ick.edu" target=3D"_blank">gaynors@hartwick.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with John. Here is my=
concern.=C2=A0Our school does not have a prohibition about taking your mai=
l with you when you go, so we are usually asked to do this by faculty and s=
taff who are leaving the College. It sometimes takes hours of staff time to=
set-up and=C2=A0babysit the process.=C2=A0 Has anyone set any policies abo=
ut what they will or won't do to help people who are leaving? I do wish=
them all the best but some days I think we should draw the line.<span><fon=
t color=3D"#888888"><div>Suzanne</div></font></span></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><span><br clear=3D"all"><div><div>Suzanne Gaynor<div>Director, Te=
chnology Resource Center</div><div>Hartwick College</div><div><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:gaynors@hartwick.edu" target=3D"_blank">gaynors@hartwick.edu</a></div>=
<div><a href=3D"tel:607-431-4670" value=3D"+16074314670" target=3D"_blank">=
607-431-4670</a></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:5=
9 AM, John Nunnally <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jnunnally@hardi=
ng.edu" target=3D"_blank">jnunnally@harding.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>IMAP treats Google label=
s as folder names.=C2=A0 So using the IMAP-capable email client of your cho=
ice (Outlook?), map both accounts and then move or copy "folders"=
from one to the other.=C2=A0 The labels should be preserved, I believe.=C2=
=A0 If you have messages labeled with multiple labels, the messages will ge=
t moved more than once. So that's a side effect.=C2=A0 Copying folders =
this way is non-destructive.=C2=A0 You can also drag and drop folders if yo=
u trust the process.<br><br><br></div>JWN<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
clear=3D"all"><br></div></div>
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