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Re: Migrating FROM Google Apps TO Gmail
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Doughty, Marc)
Thu Mar 17 15:55:18 2016
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> It sometimes takes hours of staff time to set-up and babysit the process.
I would set the user up with Thunderbird configured to access Google IMAP
and a local stoore, but let them do the copy on their own time. Google
rate-limits transactions.
An alternative would be to use Google Takeout, but I'm not sure how you
would go about re-importing the email properly.
- Marc Doughty
"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you are the give-way
vessel."
On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bud Hiller <dhiller@bucknell.edu> wrote:
> This is a particularly timely thread for us - we're in the process of
> writing documentation and providing options for users here at Bucknell, but
> part of that documentation will be very clear that we are not helping with
> the process, even a little bit!
>
> We'll provide documentation that can be followed, and if they can't follow
> it, we're going to recommend that they hire someone who can. Because the
> situation that you describe, Rachel, is an endless hole of tech support
> involving IMAP this and .csv that, transferring ownership of Docs, POP
> server settings, etc. . . . none of which makes any sense to users, and
> none of which can be easily explained over the phone or in person.
>
> Wendy, I'll look forward to your presentation in Vegas!
>
> Bud Hiller
> Bucknell Univ
> Lewisburg, PA
>
> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Rachel Weaver <rboutili@macalester.edu>
> wrote:
>
>> Suzanne, that's exactly why I asked. We have a similar situation -- all
>> of the current processes for moving mail almost always result in a lot of
>> IT staff time helping users through the process.
>>
>> Rachel Weaver
>> Assistant Help Desk Manager
>> Macalester College ITS
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:14 AM, Gaynor, Suzanne <gaynors@hartwick.edu>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I agree with John. Here is my concern. Our school does not have a
>>> prohibition about taking your mail with you when you go, so we are usually
>>> asked to do this by faculty and staff who are leaving the College. It
>>> sometimes takes hours of staff time to set-up and babysit the process. Has
>>> anyone set any policies about what they will or won't do to help people who
>>> are leaving? I do wish them all the best but some days I think we should
>>> draw the line.
>>> Suzanne
>>>
>>> Suzanne Gaynor
>>> Director, Technology Resource Center
>>> Hartwick College
>>> gaynors@hartwick.edu
>>> 607-431-4670
>>>
>>> On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:59 AM, John Nunnally <jnunnally@harding.edu>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> IMAP treats Google labels as folder names. So using the IMAP-capable
>>>> email client of your choice (Outlook?), map both accounts and then move or
>>>> copy "folders" from one to the other. The labels should be preserved, I
>>>> believe. If you have messages labeled with multiple labels, the messages
>>>> will get moved more than once. So that's a side effect. Copying folders
>>>> this way is non-destructive. You can also drag and drop folders if you
>>>> trust the process.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> JWN
>>>>
>>>>
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<div dir=3D"ltr">>=C2=A0<span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">=C2=A0It someti=
mes takes hours of staff time to set-up and=C2=A0babysit the process.</span=
><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D=
"font-size:12.8px">I would set the user up with Thunderbird configured to a=
ccess Google IMAP and a local stoore, but let them do the copy on their own=
time. Google rate-limits transactions.</span></div><div><span style=3D"fon=
t-size:12.8px"><br></span></div><div><span style=3D"font-size:12.8px">An al=
ternative would be to use Google Takeout, but I'm not sure how you woul=
d go about re-importing the email properly.</span></div></div><div class=3D=
"gmail_extra"><br clear=3D"all"><div><div class=3D"gmail_signature"><br>- M=
arc Doughty<br>"If you aren't sure who is the give-way vessel, you=
are the give-way vessel."</div></div>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 11:45 AM, Bud Hiller=
<span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:dhiller@bucknell.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">dhiller@bucknell.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gm=
ail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-le=
ft:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:sm=
all;color:#000000">This is a particularly timely thread for us - we're =
in the process of writing documentation and providing options for users her=
e at Bucknell, but part of that documentation will be very clear that we ar=
e not helping with the process, even a little bit!</div><div class=3D"gmail=
_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">We'll provide doc=
umentation that can be followed, and if they can't follow it, we're=
going to recommend that they hire someone who can. Because the situation t=
hat you describe, Rachel, is an endless hole of tech support involving IMAP=
this and .csv that, transferring ownership of Docs, POP server settings, e=
tc. . . . none of which makes any sense to users, and none of which can be =
easily explained over the phone or in person.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmai=
l_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"=
gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">Wendy, I'll look=
forward to your presentation in Vegas!</div><span class=3D"HOEnZb"><font c=
olor=3D"#888888"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;colo=
r:#000000"><br></div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small;=
color:#000000">Bud Hiller</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-s=
ize:small;color:#000000">Bucknell Univ</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" st=
yle=3D"font-size:small;color:#000000">Lewisburg, PA</div></font></span></di=
v><div class=3D"HOEnZb"><div class=3D"h5"><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><d=
iv class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 10:39 AM, Rachel Weaver <s=
pan dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:rboutili@macalester.edu" target=3D"_b=
lank">rboutili@macalester.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D=
"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding=
-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">Suzanne, that's exactly why I asked. We hav=
e a similar situation -- all of the current processes for moving mail almos=
t always result in a lot of IT staff time helping users through the process=
.=C2=A0</div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><span><br clear=3D"all"><div><div><=
div dir=3D"ltr"><div>Rachel Weaver<br></div><div>Assistant Help Desk Manage=
r<br>Macalester College ITS<br><br></div></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:1=
4 AM, Gaynor, Suzanne <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:gaynors@hartw=
ick.edu" target=3D"_blank">gaynors@hartwick.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr">I agree with John. Here is my=
concern.=C2=A0Our school does not have a prohibition about taking your mai=
l with you when you go, so we are usually asked to do this by faculty and s=
taff who are leaving the College. It sometimes takes hours of staff time to=
set-up and=C2=A0babysit the process.=C2=A0 Has anyone set any policies abo=
ut what they will or won't do to help people who are leaving? I do wish=
them all the best but some days I think we should draw the line.<span><fon=
t color=3D"#888888"><div>Suzanne</div></font></span></div><div class=3D"gma=
il_extra"><span><br clear=3D"all"><div><div>Suzanne Gaynor<div>Director, Te=
chnology Resource Center</div><div>Hartwick College</div><div><a href=3D"ma=
ilto:gaynors@hartwick.edu" target=3D"_blank">gaynors@hartwick.edu</a></div>=
<div><a href=3D"tel:607-431-4670" value=3D"+16074314670" target=3D"_blank">=
607-431-4670</a></div></div></div>
<br></span><div><div><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Mar 17, 2016 at 9:5=
9 AM, John Nunnally <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:jnunnally@hardi=
ng.edu" target=3D"_blank">jnunnally@harding.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><b=
lockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px =
#ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"ltr"><div>IMAP treats Google label=
s as folder names.=C2=A0 So using the IMAP-capable email client of your cho=
ice (Outlook?), map both accounts and then move or copy "folders"=
from one to the other.=C2=A0 The labels should be preserved, I believe.=C2=
=A0 If you have messages labeled with multiple labels, the messages will ge=
t moved more than once. So that's a side effect.=C2=A0 Copying folders =
this way is non-destructive.=C2=A0 You can also drag and drop folders if yo=
u trust the process.<br><br><br></div>JWN<br><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br=
clear=3D"all"><br></div></div>
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