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Re: New Stratagies to Meet Higher Bandwidther Requirements in the HD Video World
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Peter P Morrissey)
Wed Feb 13 10:46:08 2013
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You reminded me that in our case we did indeed disconnect campus phones fr=
om the residences about three years ago as all students had cell phones. Fo=
r the few who don't, (mostly international students who don't have enough c=
redit to get a cell phone) we connect their phone. We still charge the same=
technology fee, so were able to use some of those funds for bandwidth. We =
are also finding that the cost per megabit is going down, which helps some.=
However, that is driven somewhat by geography.
You also make a good point about what the students are accustomed to at hom=
e. We feel some obligation to make them feel at home. The Internet is such =
a part of their lives now, socially, recreationally and academically. We al=
so don't believe that we should penalize the bandwidth or network utilizati=
on for some students because others abuse copyright laws so we just use a p=
acket shaper to block that stuff (mostly to keep take down notices manageab=
le for us). We generally try to make it as good as they would get at home.
You are also right that there is some overlap in services. Students have ca=
ble, but they also have Netflix, Amazon streaming, and lots of other stream=
ing to their various TV's and devices. And as you say, cable isn't going aw=
ay though in spite of this. If you read the projects, the bandwidth usage, =
especially for video, is expected to continue to grow at a high rate.
Pete m.
From: Resnet Forum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU] On Behalf Of Hall, Ran=
d
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:53 AM
To: RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU
Subject: Re: New Stratagies to Meet Higher Bandwidther Requirements in the =
HD Video World
On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Jeff Kell <jeff-kell@utc.edu<mailto:jeff-k=
ell@utc.edu>> wrote:
>Bandwidth demand continues to increase... we've gone over two, almost thre=
e orders of magnitude
>increase over the last two decades, almost doubling every year with no end=
in sight.
Has anyone had successful discussions around the definition of your "Intern=
et Service." I think a lot of purse holders are unaware of the huge change =
in purpose/scope of the service. When we all got into the Internet Service =
business our model and level of service was generally something like "The s=
ervice is provided to facilitate your academic success. Any recreational be=
nefit is a coincidental bonus." Today that equation is completely flipped (=
whether people realize it or not) and funding hasn't generally been adequat=
ely adjusted.
Cell phones are a large contributor, too, but Email, IM, TXT, Skype, etc ha=
ve completely obviated the need for traditional phone service in residence =
halls. Have these saved telecom funds been reallocated to your bandwidth bu=
dget?
Have your closed down campus radio station funds been reallocated to your b=
andwidth budget?
Have you ditched satellite and/or dedicated fiber connections for your live=
sporting broadcasts? Did your bandwidth budget get augmented to have NBC S=
ports backhaul its HD broadcast over your network?
Has your library stopped or slowed down its purchase of popular DVDs in res=
ponse to streaming services? Did your bandwidth budget get the savings? Dit=
to for their savings on serials and books.
Has streaming video encouraged your ResLife office to kill premium movie ca=
ble channels? Did your bandwidth budget get augmented?
Streaming video isn't going to kill cable TV for a while. Are your ResLife =
offices prepared to fund two "cable" systems by augmenting the bandwidth bu=
dget.
This is really just scratching the surface. How do you manage the expectati=
ons of the incoming student who is leaving a 45Mb home connection? Yikes.
Rand
Rand P. Hall
Director, Network Services askIT!
Merrimack College
978-837-3532
rand.hall@merrimack.edu<mailto:rand.hall@merrimack.edu>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You reminded me tha=
t in our case we did indeed disconnect campus phones from the residences ab=
out three years ago as all students had cell phones. For the
few who don’t, (mostly international students who don’t have e=
nough credit to get a cell phone) we connect their phone. We still charge t=
he same technology fee, so were able to use some of those funds for bandwid=
th. We are also finding that the cost per megabit
is going down, which helps some. However, that is driven somewhat by geogr=
aphy. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You also make a good poin=
t about what the students are accustomed to at home. We feel some obligatio=
n to make them feel at home. The Internet is such a part
of their lives now, socially, recreationally and academically. We also don=
’t believe that we should penalize the bandwidth or network utilizati=
on for some students because others abuse copyright laws so we just use a p=
acket shaper to block that stuff (mostly
to keep take down notices manageable for us). We generally try to make it =
as good as they would get at home.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
/p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">You are also right that t=
here is some overlap in services. Students have cable, but they also have N=
etflix, Amazon streaming, and lots of other streaming to
their various TV’s and devices. And as you say, cable isn’t go=
ing away though in spite of this. If you read the projects, the bandwidth u=
sage, especially for video, is expected to continue to grow at a high rate.=
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span><=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Ca=
libri","sans-serif";color:#1F497D">Pete m.<o:p></o:p></span>=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"=
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orum [mailto:RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Hall, Rand<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, February 13, 2013 8:53 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> RESNET-L@LISTSERV.ND.EDU<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: New Stratagies to Meet Higher Bandwidther Requirements =
in the HD Video World<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 9:29 PM, Jeff Kell <=
<a href=3D"mailto:jeff-kell@utc.edu" target=3D"_blank">jeff-kell@utc.edu</a=
>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif"">>Bandwidth demand continues to increas=
e... we've gone over two, almost three orders of magnitude</span><o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Ar=
ial","sans-serif"">>increase over the last two decades, a=
lmost doubling every year with no end in sight.</span><br clear=3D"all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has anyone had successful discussions around the def=
inition of your "Internet Service." I think a lot of purse holder=
s are unaware of the huge change in purpose/scope of the service. When we a=
ll got into the Internet Service business our
model and level of service was generally something like "The service =
is provided to facilitate your academic success. Any recreational benefit i=
s a coincidental bonus." Today that equation is completely flipped (wh=
ether people realize it or not) and funding
hasn't generally been adequately adjusted.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Cell phones are a large contributor, too, but Email,=
IM, TXT, Skype, etc have completely obviated the need for traditional phon=
e service in residence halls. Have these saved telecom funds been reallocat=
ed to your bandwidth budget?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have your closed down campus radio station funds bee=
n reallocated to your bandwidth budget?<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Have you ditched satellite and/or dedicated fiber co=
nnections for your live sporting broadcasts? Did your bandwidth budget get =
augmented to have NBC Sports backhaul its HD broadcast over your network?<o=
:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has your library stopped or slowed down its purchase=
of popular DVDs in response to streaming services? Did your bandwidth budg=
et get the savings? Ditto for their savings on serials and books.<o:p></o:p=
></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Has streaming video encouraged your ResLife office t=
o kill premium movie cable channels? Did your bandwidth budget get augmente=
d? <o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Streaming video isn't going to kill cable TV for a w=
hile. Are your ResLife offices prepared to fund two "cable" syste=
ms by augmenting the bandwidth budget.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">This is really just scratching the surface. How do y=
ou manage the expectations of the incoming student who is leaving a 45Mb ho=
me connection? Yikes.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p>=
</p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rand<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"> <o:p></o:p></p>
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<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Rand P. Hall<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Director, Network Services &n=
bsp; askI=
T!<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Merrimack College<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">978-837-3532<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a href=3D"mailto:rand.hall@merrimack.edu" target=3D=
"_blank">rand.hall@merrimack.edu</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:9.0pt;font-family:"Ver=
dana","sans-serif";color:#555555;background:white">If I had =
an hour to save the world, I would spend 59 minutes defining the problem an=
d one minute finding solutions. – Einstein</span>
<o:p></o:p></p>
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