[868] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda for 42 UAS 4
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Allan Miramonti)
Sun Oct 24 15:14:43 2010
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Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:14:40 -0400
From: Allan Miramonti <allanm@MIT.EDU>
To: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>
Cc: Rachel E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu>,
"Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair)" <ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>,
ua-senate-officers@mit.edu, ua-senate@mit.edu
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I agree wholeheartedly, there are clearly times when having your laptop out
in front of you is just plain rude (namely when we have guest speakers.) I
can't abide by any legislation that condones disrespectful behavior towards
our guests.
-Al
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu> wrote:
> my only question/concern is in regards to laptops when speakers are here.=
i
> think we should be able to use them during all other points in the meetin=
g,
> but it's rude to use them when someone is taking time to come talk to us.
> the bill would be more productive if it had clearer terms, such as: membe=
rs
> of senate can use laptops at all times except during a presentation from =
a
> guest speaker. something like that. maybe with a provision for special
> circumstances, such as a closed session or something.
>
> ___________________________________
> Alexandra Jordan
>
> MIT 2011
> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
> Political Science
>
> amjordan@mit.edu
> 916.813.7740
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rachel E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> I'm aware, but I wrote another bill because it is an issue again and the
>> presiding officers weren't responsive to my attempts to start less forma=
l
>> discussions on this.
>>
>> Additionally, I'd probably be for adding a "for the remainder of this
>> session" clause like I put in the minutes bill. Next year if the
>> Speaker/Vice-Speaker don't want laptops used and the Senators don't disa=
gree
>> then that's fine. I just don't think that's the case this year.
>>
>> If people have other points or questions about either 4.3 or 4.4 let me
>> know or reply all. I think they're fairly straightforward so it makes m=
ore
>> sense to address any questions/comments than to explain everything out.
>>
>> -Rachel
>>
>>
>> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair) wrote:
>>
>> 42 UAS 4.4 (laptops) has basically already been passed. see 39 UAS 4.8
>>> []
>>>
>>> On 10/23/2010 10:45 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi, everyone:
>>>>
>>>> Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 4. We will not have a
>>>> guest speaker this week.
>>>>
>>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf
>>>>
>>>> You will likely notice a few changes in the agenda, which I have
>>>> outlined below/:
>>>> /
>>>>
>>>> * *Suggested times for business on the agenda*
>>>> o Since the agenda is never formally adopted by Senate, a cal=
l
>>>> for the "Orders of the Day" is never in order according to
>>>> Roberts' Rules. I have included a note on the agenda this
>>>> week to make this clear, but this should be implicit with
>>>> any agenda submitted going forward. Our agenda stands only
>>>> to establish the order of items at the meeting in accordanc=
e
>>>> with the Bylaws.
>>>> * *Discussion follows all scheduled business*
>>>> o Based on feedback, we decided to try this measure this week
>>>> (it has been done in the past). Everyone should be aware
>>>> that having discussion at the end of the meeting can
>>>> discourage direct student feedback--it can quite often be
>>>> too late to reasonably expect other students to attend.
>>>> * *New Business section prior to open discussion*
>>>> o The Bylaws do not specifically prohibit new business at
>>>> meetings. As a result, we have explicitly added a section
>>>> where members may introduce new main motions that did not
>>>> make the agenda. Given that Senators should solicit feedbac=
k
>>>> from their constituents before voting, I would strongly
>>>> discourage the introduction of legislation that others' hav=
e
>>>> not had the proper time to read and consider. To introduce
>>>> new business, simply introduce a motion before we move into
>>>> discussion mode.
>>>>
>>>> Please let me know if you have any questions--I expect that these
>>>> changes will help Senate run more smoothly, but I would very much like
>>>> to hear any opinions to the contrary.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>>
>>>> Speaker of the Senate
>>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>>> Course 1C: Class of 2013
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Adam Bockelie
>>> 801.209.7233
>>> <ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>
>>>
>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>> Chair, Committee on History
>>>
>>>
>
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I agree wholeheartedly, there are clearly times when having your laptop out=
in front of you is just plain rude (namely when we have guest speakers.)=
=A0 I can't abide by any legislation that condones disrespectful behavi=
or towards our guests. <br>
<br>-Al<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 3:09 PM, =
Alexandra Jordan <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu">=
amjordan@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
my only question/concern is in regards to laptops when speakers are here. i=
think we should be able to use them during all other points in the meeting=
, but it's rude to use them when someone is taking time to come talk to=
us. the bill would be more productive if it had clearer terms, such as: me=
mbers of senate can use laptops at all times except during a presentation f=
rom a guest speaker. something like that. maybe with a provision for specia=
l circumstances, such as a closed session or something. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">___________________________________<br>Alexandra Jordan<b=
r><br>MIT 2011<br>Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>Political Sc=
ience<br><br><a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan=
@mit.edu</a><br>
916.813.7740<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rachel =
E Meyer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:remeyer@mit.edu" target=3D"=
_blank">remeyer@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I'm aware, but I wrote another bill because it is an issue again and th=
e presiding officers weren't responsive to my attempts to start less fo=
rmal discussions on this.<br>
<br>
Additionally, I'd probably be for adding a "for the remainder of t=
his session" clause like I put in the minutes bill. =A0Next year if th=
e Speaker/Vice-Speaker don't want laptops used and the Senators don'=
;t disagree then that's fine. =A0I just don't think that's the =
case this year.<br>
<br>
If people have other points or questions about either 4.3 or 4.4 let me kno=
w or reply all. =A0I think they're fairly straightforward so it makes m=
ore sense to address any questions/comments than to explain everything out.=
<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
-Rachel</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair) wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
42 UAS 4.4 (laptops) has basically already been passed. =A0see 39 UAS 4.8 [=
]<br>
<br>
On 10/23/2010 10:45 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, everyone:<br>
<br>
Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 4. We will not have a<br>
guest speaker this week.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf</a><=
br>
<br>
You will likely notice a few changes in the agenda, which I have<br>
outlined below/:<br>
/<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0* *Suggested times for business on the agenda*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o Since the agenda is never formally adopted by Senate,=
a call<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0for the "Orders of the Day" is never in o=
rder according to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roberts' Rules. I have included a note on the a=
genda this<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0week to make this clear, but this should be implici=
t with<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0any agenda submitted going forward. Our agenda stan=
ds only<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to establish the order of items at the meeting in a=
ccordance<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with the Bylaws.<br>
=A0 =A0* *Discussion follows all scheduled business*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o Based on feedback, we decided to try this measure thi=
s week<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(it has been done in the past). Everyone should be =
aware<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that having discussion at the end of the meeting ca=
n<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discourage direct student feedback--it can quite of=
ten be<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0too late to reasonably expect other students to att=
end.<br>
=A0 =A0* *New Business section prior to open discussion*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o The Bylaws do not specifically prohibit new business =
at<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0meetings. As a result, we have explicitly added a s=
ection<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0where members may introduce new main motions that d=
id not<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0make the agenda. Given that Senators should solicit=
feedback<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0from their constituents before voting, I would stro=
ngly<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discourage the introduction of legislation that oth=
ers' have<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not had the proper time to read and consider. To in=
troduce<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0new business, simply introduce a motion before we m=
ove into<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discussion mode.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any questions--I expect that these<br>
changes will help Senate run more smoothly, but I would very much like<br>
to hear any opinions to the contrary.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jont=E9 Craighead<br>
<br>
Speaker of the Senate<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Course 1C: Class of 2013<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
-- <br>
Adam Bockelie<br>
801.209.7233<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:ua-history-chairs@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-histo=
ry-chairs@mit.edu</a>><br>
<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Chair, Committee on History<br>
<br>
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