[867] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda for 42 UAS 4
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexandra Jordan)
Sun Oct 24 15:09:32 2010
In-Reply-To: <alpine.DEB.1.10.1010241423570.31213@dr-wily.mit.edu>
From: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@MIT.EDU>
Date: Sun, 24 Oct 2010 15:09:08 -0400
To: Rachel E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu>
Cc: "Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair)" <ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>,
ua-senate-officers@mit.edu, ua-senate@mit.edu
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my only question/concern is in regards to laptops when speakers are here. i
think we should be able to use them during all other points in the meeting,
but it's rude to use them when someone is taking time to come talk to us.
the bill would be more productive if it had clearer terms, such as: members
of senate can use laptops at all times except during a presentation from a
guest speaker. something like that. maybe with a provision for special
circumstances, such as a closed session or something.
___________________________________
Alexandra Jordan
MIT 2011
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
Political Science
amjordan@mit.edu
916.813.7740
On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rachel E Meyer <remeyer@mit.edu> wrote:
> I'm aware, but I wrote another bill because it is an issue again and the
> presiding officers weren't responsive to my attempts to start less formal
> discussions on this.
>
> Additionally, I'd probably be for adding a "for the remainder of this
> session" clause like I put in the minutes bill. Next year if the
> Speaker/Vice-Speaker don't want laptops used and the Senators don't disag=
ree
> then that's fine. I just don't think that's the case this year.
>
> If people have other points or questions about either 4.3 or 4.4 let me
> know or reply all. I think they're fairly straightforward so it makes mo=
re
> sense to address any questions/comments than to explain everything out.
>
> -Rachel
>
>
> On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair) wrote:
>
> 42 UAS 4.4 (laptops) has basically already been passed. see 39 UAS 4.8 =
[]
>>
>> On 10/23/2010 10:45 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, everyone:
>>>
>>> Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 4. We will not have a
>>> guest speaker this week.
>>>
>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf
>>>
>>> You will likely notice a few changes in the agenda, which I have
>>> outlined below/:
>>> /
>>>
>>> * *Suggested times for business on the agenda*
>>> o Since the agenda is never formally adopted by Senate, a call
>>> for the "Orders of the Day" is never in order according to
>>> Roberts' Rules. I have included a note on the agenda this
>>> week to make this clear, but this should be implicit with
>>> any agenda submitted going forward. Our agenda stands only
>>> to establish the order of items at the meeting in accordance
>>> with the Bylaws.
>>> * *Discussion follows all scheduled business*
>>> o Based on feedback, we decided to try this measure this week
>>> (it has been done in the past). Everyone should be aware
>>> that having discussion at the end of the meeting can
>>> discourage direct student feedback--it can quite often be
>>> too late to reasonably expect other students to attend.
>>> * *New Business section prior to open discussion*
>>> o The Bylaws do not specifically prohibit new business at
>>> meetings. As a result, we have explicitly added a section
>>> where members may introduce new main motions that did not
>>> make the agenda. Given that Senators should solicit feedback
>>> from their constituents before voting, I would strongly
>>> discourage the introduction of legislation that others' have
>>> not had the proper time to read and consider. To introduce
>>> new business, simply introduce a motion before we move into
>>> discussion mode.
>>>
>>> Please let me know if you have any questions--I expect that these
>>> changes will help Senate run more smoothly, but I would very much like
>>> to hear any opinions to the contrary.
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Jont=E9 Craighead
>>>
>>> Speaker of the Senate
>>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>>> Course 1C: Class of 2013
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Adam Bockelie
>> 801.209.7233
>> <ua-history-chairs@mit.edu>
>>
>> MIT Undergraduate Association
>> Chair, Committee on History
>>
>>
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my only question/concern is in regards to laptops when speakers are here. i=
think we should be able to use them during all other points in the meeting=
, but it's rude to use them when someone is taking time to come talk to=
us. the bill would be more productive if it had clearer terms, such as: me=
mbers of senate can use laptops at all times except during a presentation f=
rom a guest speaker. something like that. maybe with a provision for specia=
l circumstances, such as a closed session or something. <br>
<br clear=3D"all">___________________________________<br>Alexandra Jordan<b=
r><br>MIT 2011<br>Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>Political Sc=
ience<br><br><a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan=
@mit.edu</a><br>
916.813.7740<br><br>
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 2:52 PM, Rachel =
E Meyer <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:remeyer@mit.edu" target=3D"=
_blank">remeyer@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail=
_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204,=
204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
I'm aware, but I wrote another bill because it is an issue again and th=
e presiding officers weren't responsive to my attempts to start less fo=
rmal discussions on this.<br>
<br>
Additionally, I'd probably be for adding a "for the remainder of t=
his session" clause like I put in the minutes bill. =A0Next year if th=
e Speaker/Vice-Speaker don't want laptops used and the Senators don'=
;t disagree then that's fine. =A0I just don't think that's the =
case this year.<br>
<br>
If people have other points or questions about either 4.3 or 4.4 let me kno=
w or reply all. =A0I think they're fairly straightforward so it makes m=
ore sense to address any questions/comments than to explain everything out.=
<br>
<font color=3D"#888888">
<br>
-Rachel</font><div><div></div><div><br>
<br>
On Sun, 24 Oct 2010, Adam Bockelie (UA History Committee Chair) wrote:<br>
<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
42 UAS 4.4 (laptops) has basically already been passed. =A0see 39 UAS 4.8 [=
]<br>
<br>
On 10/23/2010 10:45 PM, Jont=E9 Craighead (UA Speaker) wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; borde=
r-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi, everyone:<br>
<br>
Please find linked below the agenda for 42 UAS 4. We will not have a<br>
guest speaker this week.<br>
<br>
<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf" targe=
t=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS42/agendas/2010-10-25.pdf</a><=
br>
<br>
You will likely notice a few changes in the agenda, which I have<br>
outlined below/:<br>
/<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0* *Suggested times for business on the agenda*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o Since the agenda is never formally adopted by Senate,=
a call<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0for the "Orders of the Day" is never in o=
rder according to<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0Roberts' Rules. I have included a note on the a=
genda this<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0week to make this clear, but this should be implici=
t with<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0any agenda submitted going forward. Our agenda stan=
ds only<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0to establish the order of items at the meeting in a=
ccordance<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0with the Bylaws.<br>
=A0 =A0* *Discussion follows all scheduled business*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o Based on feedback, we decided to try this measure thi=
s week<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0(it has been done in the past). Everyone should be =
aware<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that having discussion at the end of the meeting ca=
n<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discourage direct student feedback--it can quite of=
ten be<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0too late to reasonably expect other students to att=
end.<br>
=A0 =A0* *New Business section prior to open discussion*<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0o The Bylaws do not specifically prohibit new business =
at<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0meetings. As a result, we have explicitly added a s=
ection<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0where members may introduce new main motions that d=
id not<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0make the agenda. Given that Senators should solicit=
feedback<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0from their constituents before voting, I would stro=
ngly<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discourage the introduction of legislation that oth=
ers' have<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0not had the proper time to read and consider. To in=
troduce<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0new business, simply introduce a motion before we m=
ove into<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0discussion mode.<br>
<br>
Please let me know if you have any questions--I expect that these<br>
changes will help Senate run more smoothly, but I would very much like<br>
to hear any opinions to the contrary.<br>
<br>
Thanks,<br>
Jont=E9 Craighead<br>
<br>
Speaker of the Senate<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Course 1C: Class of 2013<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
-- <br>
Adam Bockelie<br>
801.209.7233<br>
<<a href=3D"mailto:ua-history-chairs@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">ua-histo=
ry-chairs@mit.edu</a>><br>
<br>
MIT Undergraduate Association<br>
Chair, Committee on History<br>
<br>
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