[359] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda for Monday's Meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Ashley Nash)
Mon Dec 7 10:48:20 2009
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 10:47:56 -0500
From: Ashley Nash <ashnash@MIT.EDU>
To: UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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This agenda is really long. It would be awesome if it didn't take this
long. I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial
things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there are
other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.
I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least think
about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, not
argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,
just to postpone or table.
Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before the
meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time to look
for the information and have an explanation ready.
I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:
I think 6.1 should pass. Someone showed reservation that not all of the
principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would make
even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 officers,
it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 people
need to agree. The more people who need to agree to approve someone- to an
extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, the
harder it is to game the system. Also, the secretary and treasurer cannot
approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.
6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable
students currently serving on institute committees. I don't, on principle,
think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't want to
suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to approval after
they started. I am also still not clear on what happens if the student is
approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.
I intend to support 7.1. I will vote for the Finboard, but it would be nice
to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together since their
last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don't lose
their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two mistakes.
7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill and
the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.
7.3 I vote to approve all reports.
We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we should
approve it, fast.
7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath that DSL
will do anything useful.
7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh
I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs should need
senate approval for vice-chairs. I know nothing about her.
Questions for Vrajesh
How much does this printer cost?
What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?
When will it happen?
What does the bill 7.5 encompass?
Sincerely,
Ashley Nash,
Senior House Senator
On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
> Dear Senate,
>
> The Finboard allocations document is now available:
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard
>
> Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation
> that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special
> Projects Committee." This has been added to the agenda as pending
> legislation: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf I apologize for
> the miscommunication.
>
> The agenda has been updated appropriately.
>
> Sincerely,
> Paul
>
>
> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Senate,
>>
>> Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:
>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf
>>
>> All available legislation has been linked within the agenda. The text for
>> 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. Likewise, as already mentioned, the
>> Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday evening,
>> since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.
>>
>> This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of
>> legislation is quite critical. Please consider preparing comments in
>> advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.
>>
>> I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on Monday
>> evening.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Paul
>>
>
>
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This agenda is really long.=A0 It would be awesome if it didn't take th=
is long.=A0 I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial=
things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there ar=
e other items on the agenda that will require more discussion. <br>
<br>=A0I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least t=
hink about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, n=
ot argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,=
just to postpone or table. <br>
<br>Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before=
the meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time t=
o look for the information and have an explanation ready. <br><br>I am goin=
g to start with what I think about our agenda items:<br>
<br>I think 6.1 should pass.=A0 Someone showed reservation that not all of =
the principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would mak=
e even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 office=
rs, it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 pe=
ople need to agree.=A0 The more people who need to agree to approve someone=
- to an extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, =
the harder it is to game the system.=A0 Also, the secretary and treasurer c=
annot approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.<b=
r>
<br>6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionabl=
e students currently serving on institute committees.=A0 I don't, on pr=
inciple, think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don'=
;t want to suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to app=
roval after they started.=A0 I am also still not clear on what happens if t=
he student is approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it=
.<br>
<br>I intend to support 7.1.=A0 I will vote for the Finboard, but it would =
be nice to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together sin=
ce their last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don&=
#39;t lose their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two =
mistakes.=A0 <br>
<br>7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill=
and the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.<br><=
br>7.3 I vote to approve all reports.<br><br>We already argued over the UA =
operations budget, and I think we should approve it, fast.<br>
<br>7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath=
that DSL will do anything useful.<br><br>7.5 link down, more questions for=
Vrajesh<br><br>I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think c=
hairs should need senate approval for vice-chairs.=A0 I know nothing about =
her.<br>
<br>Questions for Vrajesh<br>How much does this printer cost?<br>What is th=
e UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?<br>When will =
it happen?<br>What does the bill 7.5 encompass?<br><br>Sincerely,<br><br>
Ashley Nash,<br>Senior House Senator<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On S=
un, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"m=
ailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu</a>></span> w=
rote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>The Finboard allocations document is now available: <a href=3D"http://we=
b.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/=
ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard</a><br>
<br>Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation=
that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special =
Projects Committee."=A0 This has been added to the agenda as pending l=
egislation: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf</a>=A0 I apologize =
for the miscommunication.<br>
<br>The agenda=A0 has been updated appropriately.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><fon=
t color=3D"#888888">Paul</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu=
</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf" target=3D"_blank">=
http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf</a><br>
<br>All available legislation has been linked within the agenda.=A0 The tex=
t for 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me.=A0 Likewise, as already mention=
ed, the Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday ev=
ening, since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.<br>
<br>This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of legi=
slation is quite critical.=A0 Please consider preparing comments in advance=
, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.<br>
<br>I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on Mon=
day evening.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Paul<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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