[360] in UA Senate
Re: Agenda for Monday's Meeting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Tim Jenks)
Mon Dec 7 11:39:27 2009
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Date: Mon, 7 Dec 2009 11:39:01 -0500
From: Tim Jenks <trjenks@gmail.com>
To: Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu>
Cc: UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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The bill for the printer was mistyped in the agenda. it directs to
web.mitL.edu. removing the L works:
http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf
--Tim
On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM, Ashley Nash <ashnash@mit.edu> wrote:
> This agenda is really long. It would be awesome if it didn't take this
> long. I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial
> things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there are
> other items on the agenda that will require more discussion.
>
> I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least think
> about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, not
> argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,
> just to postpone or table.
>
> Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before the
> meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time to look
> for the information and have an explanation ready.
>
> I am going to start with what I think about our agenda items:
>
> I think 6.1 should pass. Someone showed reservation that not all of the
> principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would make
> even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 officers,
> it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 people
> need to agree. The more people who need to agree to approve someone- to an
> extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, the
> harder it is to game the system. Also, the secretary and treasurer cannot
> approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.
>
> 6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionable
> students currently serving on institute committees. I don't, on principle,
> think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don't want to
> suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to approval after
> they started. I am also still not clear on what happens if the student is
> approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it.
>
> I intend to support 7.1. I will vote for the Finboard, but it would be
> nice to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together since
> their last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don't
> lose their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two mistakes.
>
> 7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill and
> the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.
>
> 7.3 I vote to approve all reports.
>
> We already argued over the UA operations budget, and I think we should
> approve it, fast.
>
> 7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath that
> DSL will do anything useful.
>
> 7.5 link down, more questions for Vrajesh
>
> I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think chairs should need
> senate approval for vice-chairs. I know nothing about her.
>
> Questions for Vrajesh
> How much does this printer cost?
> What is the UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?
> When will it happen?
> What does the bill 7.5 encompass?
>
> Sincerely,
>
> Ashley Nash,
> Senior House Senator
>
>
> On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> Dear Senate,
>>
>> The Finboard allocations document is now available:
>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard
>>
>> Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation
>> that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special
>> Projects Committee." This has been added to the agenda as pending
>> legislation: http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf I apologize for
>> the miscommunication.
>>
>> The agenda has been updated appropriately.
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Paul
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu> wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Senate,
>>>
>>> Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at:
>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf
>>>
>>> All available legislation has been linked within the agenda. The text
>>> for 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me. Likewise, as already mentioned,
>>> the Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday
>>> evening, since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.
>>>
>>> This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of
>>> legislation is quite critical. Please consider preparing comments in
>>> advance, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.
>>>
>>> I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on
>>> Monday evening.
>>>
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Paul
>>>
>>
>>
>
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The bill for the printer was mistyped in the agenda.=A0 it directs to <a hr=
ef=3D"http://web.mitL.edu">web.mitL.edu</a>.=A0 removing the L works:<br><b=
r><a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf">http://web.mit.ed=
u/ua/senate/UAS41/7/2/.pdf</a><br>
<br>--Tim<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Mon, Dec 7, 2009 at 10:47 AM=
, Ashley Nash <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:ashnash@mit.edu">ashn=
ash@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" styl=
e=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; =
padding-left: 1ex;">
This agenda is really long.=A0 It would be awesome if it didn't take th=
is long.=A0 I think it is fair to say that there are some non-controversial=
things that we can pass quickly, like Fresh Fund allocations, but there ar=
e other items on the agenda that will require more discussion. <br>
<br>=A0I think people should say what they think about stuff, or at least t=
hink about it before the meeting, so that we can argue, vote and move on, n=
ot argue, argue, argue, move on, and then somehow come back and argue more,=
just to postpone or table. <br>
<br>Also, if you think information is missing, you should ask for it before=
the meeting, such that the person who could possibly answer it- has time t=
o look for the information and have an explanation ready. <br><br>I am goin=
g to start with what I think about our agenda items:<br>
<br>I think 6.1 should pass.=A0 Someone showed reservation that not all of =
the principle officers are elected directly by the public, but it would mak=
e even less sense to take out secretary and treasurer because with 6 office=
rs, it requires 4 people agree and if we cut out two people, then only 3 pe=
ople need to agree.=A0 The more people who need to agree to approve someone=
- to an extent- the more likely the approved person is suited for the job, =
the harder it is to game the system.=A0 Also, the secretary and treasurer c=
annot approve someone alone, they need the support of two other officers.<b=
r>
<br>6.2 I don't think should be retroactive, unless we have questionabl=
e students currently serving on institute committees.=A0 I don't, on pr=
inciple, think that retroactive rules are the way to go, and I also don'=
;t want to suggest that the member is incompetent by subjecting them to app=
roval after they started.=A0 I am also still not clear on what happens if t=
he student is approached with the committee instead of actively pursuing it=
.<br>
<br>I intend to support 7.1.=A0 I will vote for the Finboard, but it would =
be nice to have some assurance that they have gotten their act together sin=
ce their last allocation process: i.e. know which groups are eligible, don&=
#39;t lose their appeals, and don't forget that they did the first two =
mistakes.=A0 <br>
<br>7.2 I think we should support the printer, but I tried reading the bill=
and the link was down, so I probably have some questions for Vrajesh.<br><=
br>7.3 I vote to approve all reports.<br><br>We already argued over the UA =
operations budget, and I think we should approve it, fast.<br>
<br>7.4 Nice ideas and I will vote on it, but I wouldn't hold my breath=
that DSL will do anything useful.<br><br>7.5 link down, more questions for=
Vrajesh<br><br>I will probably approve of Mary because I don't think c=
hairs should need senate approval for vice-chairs.=A0 I know nothing about =
her.<br>
<br>Questions for Vrajesh<br>How much does this printer cost?<br>What is th=
e UA paying for (I am not asking for line items, just items)?<br>When will =
it happen?<br>What does the bill 7.5 encompass?<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font =
color=3D"#888888"><br>
Ashley Nash,<br>Senior House Senator</font><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
"><br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Sun, Dec 6, 2009 at 6:41 PM, Paul B=
aranay <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"=
_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>The Finboard allocations document is now available: <a href=3D"http://we=
b.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/=
ua/senate/UAS41/7/finboard</a><br>
<br>Additionally, through my own error, I overlooked a piece of legislation=
that was sent to me about two weeks ago: "Bill to Extend the Special =
Projects Committee."=A0 This has been added to the agenda as pending l=
egislation: <a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf" target=
=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/7/5/.pdf</a>=A0 I apologize =
for the miscommunication.<br>
<br>The agenda=A0 has been updated appropriately.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><fon=
t color=3D"#888888">Paul</font><div><div></div><div><br><br><div class=3D"g=
mail_quote">On Sat, Dec 5, 2009 at 11:17 PM, Paul Baranay <span dir=3D"ltr"=
><<a href=3D"mailto:pbaranay@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">pbaranay@mit.edu=
</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Dear Senate,<br><=
br>Please find the agenda for Monday's meeting online at: <a href=3D"ht=
tp://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf" target=3D"_blank">=
http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/agendas/2009-12-07.pdf</a><br>
<br>All available legislation has been linked within the agenda.=A0 The tex=
t for 7.3 has not yet been submitted to me.=A0 Likewise, as already mention=
ed, the Finboard allocations document will not be available until Sunday ev=
ening, since Finboard is meeting on Sunday.<br>
<br>This is likely to be a somewhat lengthy meeting, but each piece of legi=
slation is quite critical.=A0 Please consider preparing comments in advance=
, as well as sharing any questions or concerns over the mailing list.<br>
<br>I look forward to an evening of respectful and robust discussion on Mon=
day evening.<br><br>Sincerely,<br><font color=3D"#888888">Paul<br>
</font></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
</div></div></blockquote></div><br>
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