[165] in UA Senate
Re: 41UAS2.3: Bill to Authorize the Treasurer to Reallocate Money
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alex Dehnert)
Mon Oct 19 22:26:13 2009
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:25:25 -0400
From: Alex Dehnert <adehnert@MIT.EDU>
To: Mike Bennie <mbennie@MIT.EDU>
CC: Paul Baranay <pbaranay@MIT.EDU>, Catherine Olsson <catherio@MIT.EDU>,
Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@MIT.EDU>, Ted Hilk <thilk@MIT.EDU>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@MIT.EDU>
In-Reply-To: <4ADD1EFC.6080301@mit.edu>
The thought, I think, was to explicitly *not* include them. That was my
original intent, certainly, and the way I was planning to disambiguate.
Mike Bennie wrote:
> We do not have direct control of the Class Council money. I would argue
> this would create a giant fight because Class Councils have always had
> separate accounts with separate roll over. I would strongly discourage
> any language that included the Class Councils in this bill.
>
> Paul Baranay wrote:
>> I would also like to point out that someone brought up a concern about
>> whether this applies to Class Councils or not. This discrepancy
>> should probably be resolved.
>>
>> - Paul
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu
>> <mailto:catherio@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>
>> Just a thought - since I can't think of very many relevant
>> officers besides committee chairs, it might be nice to see
>> specific enumeration of which officers the bill is referring to.
>> Normally I wouldn't suggest such specific language, because then
>> the bill is left without enough generality to still apply when
>> situations change, but this bill will (as written) expire after a
>> set amount of time so it may be more appropriate.
>> Just a thought,
>> - Catherine
>>
>> Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>>
>> Ted's second comment was addressed with an amendment to the
>> bill to clarify that only committee chairs or officers of the
>> relevant offices can make such decisions.
>>
>> Alex
>> Sorority Senator
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Ted Hilk wrote:
>>
>> That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part
>> of the UA
>> budget to the pool of funds that
>> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for
>> the next
>> funding period;
>>
>>
>> Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair
>> later decides that this decision was made in error, is
>> there any way for it to be reversed? Given that the money
>> is allocated to a "pool of funds" rather than directly to
>> the groups (hence implying some time delay before the
>> money is actually out of UA's control), shouldn't such
>> reversal be an option? If not, why not?
>>
>> That such reallocations must be approved by the
>> committee chair
>> or other officer in charge of the
>> budget area losing said funds;
>>
>>
>> Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill,
>> which specific positions are allowed to do this for which
>> specific budget areas? I feel that the existing wording is
>> a bit vague, given the powers involved.
>>
>> That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair
>> must be
>> informed of each such reallocation;
>>
>>
>> Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next
>> meeting of the Senate"? While understanding the importance
>> of delegation, I believe that timely information is
>> necessary to allow for review of the decisions.
>>
>> Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means
>> opposed to the principle of this bill. I agree that
>> leftover money from our operations should go to student
>> groups. I just want to make sure that Senate exercises
>> caution in doing so, and more time for discussion was
>> necessary to meet this aim.
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ted Hilk
>> EC Senator
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert
>> <adehnert@mit.edu <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>
>> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>>> wrote:
>>
>> Since we postponed this a week...
>>
>> If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly.
>> Otherwise, no
>> guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic.
>>
>> I'll probably put together some more information
>> shortly, but I
>> encourage some discussion to happen here besides that.
>>
>> ~~Alex
>>
>>
>> Alex Dehnert wrote:
>>
>> I wrote a bill which is available at
>>
>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf.
>>
>> The bill authorizes the treasurer to:
>> * reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of
>> funds that
>> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups
>> for the
>> next funding period; and
>> * Requires that such reallocations be approved by the
>> committee chair losing said funds; and
>> * That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected
>> Chair must be
>> informed of each such reallocation; and
>> * That such authorization shall expire at the end
>> of the
>> 2009–2010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate.
>>
>> I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It
>> would be
>> awesome if we can get most questions out *before*
>> Senate, so
>> that Senate can be short without being much less
>> effective.
>>
>> ~~Alex
>>
>>
>>
>>
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>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
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