[163] in UA Senate
Re: 41UAS2.3: Bill to Authorize the Treasurer to Reallocate Money
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mike Bennie)
Mon Oct 19 22:23:11 2009
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:22:52 -0400
From: Mike Bennie <mbennie@MIT.EDU>
To: Paul Baranay <pbaranay@mit.edu>
CC: Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu>, Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>,
Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>,
UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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We do not have direct control of the Class Council money. I would argue
this would create a giant fight because Class Councils have always had
separate accounts with separate roll over. I would strongly discourage
any language that included the Class Councils in this bill.
Paul Baranay wrote:
> I would also like to point out that someone brought up a concern about
> whether this applies to Class Councils or not. This discrepancy
> should probably be resolved.
>
> - Paul
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu
> <mailto:catherio@mit.edu>> wrote:
>
> Just a thought - since I can't think of very many relevant
> officers besides committee chairs, it might be nice to see
> specific enumeration of which officers the bill is referring to.
> Normally I wouldn't suggest such specific language, because then
> the bill is left without enough generality to still apply when
> situations change, but this bill will (as written) expire after a
> set amount of time so it may be more appropriate.
> Just a thought,
> - Catherine
>
> Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>
> Ted's second comment was addressed with an amendment to the
> bill to clarify that only committee chairs or officers of the
> relevant offices can make such decisions.
>
> Alex
> Sorority Senator
>
> On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Ted Hilk wrote:
>
> That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part
> of the UA
> budget to the pool of funds that
> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for
> the next
> funding period;
>
>
> Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair
> later decides that this decision was made in error, is
> there any way for it to be reversed? Given that the money
> is allocated to a "pool of funds" rather than directly to
> the groups (hence implying some time delay before the
> money is actually out of UA's control), shouldn't such
> reversal be an option? If not, why not?
>
> That such reallocations must be approved by the
> committee chair
> or other officer in charge of the
> budget area losing said funds;
>
>
> Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill,
> which specific positions are allowed to do this for which
> specific budget areas? I feel that the existing wording is
> a bit vague, given the powers involved.
>
> That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair
> must be
> informed of each such reallocation;
>
>
> Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next
> meeting of the Senate"? While understanding the importance
> of delegation, I believe that timely information is
> necessary to allow for review of the decisions.
>
> Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means
> opposed to the principle of this bill. I agree that
> leftover money from our operations should go to student
> groups. I just want to make sure that Senate exercises
> caution in doing so, and more time for discussion was
> necessary to meet this aim.
>
> Thank you,
> Ted Hilk
> EC Senator
>
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert
> <adehnert@mit.edu <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>
> <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>>> wrote:
>
> Since we postponed this a week...
>
> If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly.
> Otherwise, no
> guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic.
>
> I'll probably put together some more information
> shortly, but I
> encourage some discussion to happen here besides that.
>
> ~~Alex
>
>
> Alex Dehnert wrote:
>
> I wrote a bill which is available at
>
> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf.
>
> The bill authorizes the treasurer to:
> * reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of
> funds that
> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups
> for the
> next funding period; and
> * Requires that such reallocations be approved by the
> committee chair losing said funds; and
> * That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected
> Chair must be
> informed of each such reallocation; and
> * That such authorization shall expire at the end
> of the
> 2009–2010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate.
>
> I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It
> would be
> awesome if we can get most questions out *before*
> Senate, so
> that Senate can be short without being much less
> effective.
>
> ~~Alex
>
>
>
>
> __________________________________
> Alexandra Jordan
>
> MIT 2011
> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
> Political Science
>
> amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>
> <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>>
> 916.813.7740
>
>
>
>
>
>
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We do not have direct control of the Class Council money. I would argue
this would create a giant fight because Class Councils have always had
separate accounts with separate roll over. I would strongly discourage
any language that included the Class Councils in this bill.<br>
<br>
Paul Baranay wrote:
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cite="mid:71c951390910191916h79eee17x5689ce41a04702c0@mail.gmail.com"
type="cite">I would also like to point out that someone brought up a
concern about whether this applies to Class Councils or not. This
discrepancy should probably be resolved.
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<div>- Paul<br>
<br>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Catherine
Olsson <span dir="ltr"><<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="mailto:catherio@mit.edu" target="_blank">catherio@mit.edu</a>></span>
wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Just
a thought - since I can't think of very many relevant officers besides
committee chairs, it might be nice to see specific enumeration of which
officers the bill is referring to. Normally I wouldn't suggest such
specific language, because then the bill is left without enough
generality to still apply when situations change, but this bill will
(as written) expire after a set amount of time so it may be more
appropriate.<br>
Just a thought,<br>
- Catherine<br>
<br>
Alexandra Jordan wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote"
style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>Ted's second comment was addressed with an amendment to the
bill to clarify that only committee chairs or officers of the relevant
offices can make such decisions.<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
Sorority Senator<br>
<br>
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Ted Hilk wrote:<br>
<br>
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<div> That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part
of the UA<br>
budget to the pool of funds that<br>
the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the next<br>
funding period;<br>
<br>
<br>
Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair later decides
that this decision was made in error, is there any way for it to be
reversed? Given that the money is allocated to a "pool of funds" rather
than directly to the groups (hence implying some time delay before the
money is actually out of UA's control), shouldn't such reversal be an
option? If not, why not?<br>
<br>
That such reallocations must be approved by the committee chair<br>
or other officer in charge of the<br>
budget area losing said funds;<br>
<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill, which
specific positions are allowed to do this for which specific budget
areas? I feel that the existing wording is a bit vague, given the
powers involved.<br>
<br>
That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair must be<br>
informed of each such reallocation;<br>
<br>
<br>
Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next meeting of
the Senate"? While understanding the importance of delegation, I
believe that timely information is necessary to allow for review of the
decisions.<br>
<br>
Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means opposed to the
principle of this bill. I agree that leftover money from our operations
should go to student groups. I just want to make sure that Senate
exercises caution in doing so, and more time for discussion was
necessary to meet this aim.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Ted Hilk<br>
EC Senator<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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<div>On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert <<a
moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adehnert@mit.edu" target="_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>
<mailto:<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:adehnert@mit.edu"
target="_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:<br>
<br>
Since we postponed this a week...<br>
<br>
If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly. Otherwise, no<br>
guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic.<br>
<br>
I'll probably put together some more information shortly, but I<br>
encourage some discussion to happen here besides that.<br>
<br>
~~Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
Alex Dehnert wrote:<br>
<br>
I wrote a bill which is available at<br>
<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf"
target="_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf</a>.<br>
<br>
The bill authorizes the treasurer to:<br>
* reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of funds that<br>
the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the<br>
next funding period; and<br>
* Requires that such reallocations be approved by the<br>
committee chair losing said funds; and<br>
* That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected Chair must be<br>
informed of each such reallocation; and<br>
* That such authorization shall expire at the end of the<br>
2009–2010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate.<br>
<br>
I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It would be<br>
awesome if we can get most questions out *before* Senate, so<br>
that Senate can be short without being much less effective.<br>
<br>
~~Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
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moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target="_blank">amjordan@mit.edu</a>><br>
916.813.7740<br>
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