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Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:17:30 -0400 From: Paul Youchak <youchakp@MIT.EDU> To: Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu> CC: Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu> In-Reply-To: <6ed15f040910191848x3210103cq9ec946f2525bf4c7@mail.gmail.com> I am responding to both Alex and Ted here... Committees may fund for a project and later find out is is either not possible or not desirable. Committees may think a project is a good idea but they will not really know, for whatever reason, that their idea should be implemented until they have tried. Committee's can make mistakes about what they want to do in the upcoming semester, especially since they are budgeted for so far in advance. If a committee cannot fulfill their obligation for the project then it is acceptable to remove the line. In my mind there are not separate issues. Having the reallocation of money be reversible makes no sense. The committee leader should not release the money unless they are 100% sure they wont need it. Secondly, if they find they have changed their mind it is always possible to ask for more money from discretionary. I don't think this will ever happen, so its not a very strong objection to the bill. The treasurer does by no means have the right to reduce a committees budget mid semester. If you are afraid of the committee being overruled by the committee chair then we can say the committee must unanimously (2/3, whatever) approve of the reallocation of funds. I however, think you are more concerned with the power in the treasurer. Remember, the Senate still has ultimate control because we do now have the right reverse his decision. Note, this bill will only last for this year unless we decide to renew it. Paul Ted Hilk wrote: > > That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part of the UA > budget to the pool of funds that > the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the next > funding period; > > > Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair later decides > that this decision was made in error, is there any way for it to be > reversed? Given that the money is allocated to a "pool of funds" > rather than directly to the groups (hence implying some time delay > before the money is actually out of UA's control), shouldn't such > reversal be an option? If not, why not? > > That such reallocations must be approved by the committee chair or > other officer in charge of the > budget area losing said funds; > > > Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill, which > specific positions are allowed to do this for which specific budget > areas? I feel that the existing wording is a bit vague, given the > powers involved. > > That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair must be > informed of each such reallocation; > > > Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next meeting of > the Senate"? While understanding the importance of delegation, I > believe that timely information is necessary to allow for review of > the decisions. > > Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means opposed to the > principle of this bill. I agree that leftover money from our > operations should go to student groups. I just want to make sure that > Senate exercises caution in doing so, and more time for discussion was > necessary to meet this aim. > > Thank you, > Ted Hilk > EC Senator > > > > On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu > <mailto:adehnert@mit.edu>> wrote: > > Since we postponed this a week... > > If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly. Otherwise, no > guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic. > > I'll probably put together some more information shortly, but I > encourage some discussion to happen here besides that. > > ~~Alex > > > Alex Dehnert wrote: > > I wrote a bill which is available at > http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf. > > The bill authorizes the treasurer to: > * reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of funds that > the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the > next funding period; and > * Requires that such reallocations be approved by the > committee chair losing said funds; and > * That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected Chair must be > informed of each such reallocation; and > * That such authorization shall expire at the end of the > 2009–2010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate. > > I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It would be > awesome if we can get most questions out *before* Senate, so > that Senate can be short without being much less effective. > > ~~Alex > > >
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