[161] in UA Senate
Re: 41UAS2.3: Bill to Authorize the Treasurer to Reallocate Money to
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Paul Baranay)
Mon Oct 19 22:17:18 2009
In-Reply-To: <4ADD1CCC.3030306@mit.edu>
From: Paul Baranay <pbaranay@MIT.EDU>
Date: Mon, 19 Oct 2009 22:16:46 -0400
To: Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu>
Cc: Alexandra Jordan <amjordan@mit.edu>, Ted Hilk <thilk@mit.edu>,
Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu>, UA Senate <ua-senate@mit.edu>
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I would also like to point out that someone brought up a concern about
whether this applies to Class Councils or not. This discrepancy should
probably be resolved.
- Paul
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Catherine Olsson <catherio@mit.edu> wrote=
:
> Just a thought - since I can't think of very many relevant officers besid=
es
> committee chairs, it might be nice to see specific enumeration of which
> officers the bill is referring to. Normally I wouldn't suggest such speci=
fic
> language, because then the bill is left without enough generality to stil=
l
> apply when situations change, but this bill will (as written) expire afte=
r a
> set amount of time so it may be more appropriate.
> Just a thought,
> - Catherine
>
> Alexandra Jordan wrote:
>
>> Ted's second comment was addressed with an amendment to the bill to
>> clarify that only committee chairs or officers of the relevant offices c=
an
>> make such decisions.
>>
>> Alex
>> Sorority Senator
>>
>> On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Ted Hilk wrote:
>>
>> That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part of the UA
>>> budget to the pool of funds that
>>> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the next
>>> funding period;
>>>
>>>
>>> Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair later decides th=
at
>>> this decision was made in error, is there any way for it to be reversed=
?
>>> Given that the money is allocated to a "pool of funds" rather than dire=
ctly
>>> to the groups (hence implying some time delay before the money is actua=
lly
>>> out of UA's control), shouldn't such reversal be an option? If not, why=
not?
>>>
>>> That such reallocations must be approved by the committee chair
>>> or other officer in charge of the
>>> budget area losing said funds;
>>>
>>>
>>> Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill, which specifi=
c
>>> positions are allowed to do this for which specific budget areas? I fee=
l
>>> that the existing wording is a bit vague, given the powers involved.
>>>
>>> That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair must be
>>> informed of each such reallocation;
>>>
>>>
>>> Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next meeting of th=
e
>>> Senate"? While understanding the importance of delegation, I believe th=
at
>>> timely information is necessary to allow for review of the decisions.
>>>
>>> Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means opposed to the
>>> principle of this bill. I agree that leftover money from our operations
>>> should go to student groups. I just want to make sure that Senate exerc=
ises
>>> caution in doing so, and more time for discussion was necessary to meet=
this
>>> aim.
>>>
>>> Thank you,
>>> Ted Hilk
>>> EC Senator
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert <adehnert@mit.edu <mailto=
:
>>> adehnert@mit.edu>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Since we postponed this a week...
>>>
>>> If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly. Otherwise, no
>>> guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic.
>>>
>>> I'll probably put together some more information shortly, but I
>>> encourage some discussion to happen here besides that.
>>>
>>> ~~Alex
>>>
>>>
>>> Alex Dehnert wrote:
>>>
>>> I wrote a bill which is available at
>>>
>>> http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-money/moving-money.pdf.
>>>
>>> The bill authorizes the treasurer to:
>>> * reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of funds that
>>> the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the
>>> next funding period; and
>>> * Requires that such reallocations be approved by the
>>> committee chair losing said funds; and
>>> * That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected Chair must be
>>> informed of each such reallocation; and
>>> * That such authorization shall expire at the end of the
>>> 2009=962010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate.
>>>
>>> I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It would be
>>> awesome if we can get most questions out *before* Senate, so
>>> that Senate can be short without being much less effective.
>>>
>>> ~~Alex
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> __________________________________
>> Alexandra Jordan
>>
>> MIT 2011
>> Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science
>> Political Science
>>
>> amjordan@mit.edu <mailto:amjordan@mit.edu>
>> 916.813.7740
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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I would also like to point out that someone brought up a concern about whet=
her this applies to Class Councils or not. =A0This discrepancy should proba=
bly be resolved.<div><br></div><div>- Paul<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote=
">
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:13 PM, Catherine Olsson <span dir=3D"ltr"><<a=
href=3D"mailto:catherio@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">catherio@mit.edu</a>>=
;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 =
.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
Just a thought - since I can't think of very many relevant officers bes=
ides committee chairs, it might be nice to see specific enumeration of whic=
h officers the bill is referring to. Normally I wouldn't suggest such s=
pecific language, because then the bill is left without enough generality t=
o still apply when situations change, but this bill will (as written) expir=
e after a set amount of time so it may be more appropriate.<br>
Just a thought,<br>
- Catherine<br>
<br>
Alexandra Jordan wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1p=
x #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
Ted's second comment was addressed with an amendment to the bill to cla=
rify that only committee chairs or officers of the relevant offices can mak=
e such decisions.<br>
<br>
Alex<br>
Sorority Senator<br>
<br>
On Oct 19, 2009, at 9:48 PM, Ted Hilk wrote:<br>
<br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div>
=A0 =A0That the Treasurer may reallocate funds from one part of the UA<br>
=A0 =A0budget to the pool of funds that<br>
=A0 =A0the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the next<br>
=A0 =A0funding period;<br>
<br>
<br>
Regarding this pool: if the applicable committee chair later decides that t=
his decision was made in error, is there any way for it to be reversed? Giv=
en that the money is allocated to a "pool of funds" rather than d=
irectly to the groups (hence implying some time delay before the money is a=
ctually out of UA's control), shouldn't such reversal be an option?=
If not, why not?<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0That such reallocations must be approved by the committee chair<br>
=A0 =A0or other officer in charge of the<br>
=A0 =A0budget area losing said funds;<br>
<br>
<br>
Would it be possible to clarify, in the text of the bill, which specific po=
sitions are allowed to do this for which specific budget areas? I feel that=
the existing wording is a bit vague, given the powers involved.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0That the Senate, Finance Board, and [a]affected Chair must be<br>
=A0 =A0informed of each such reallocation;<br>
<br>
<br>
Is there a reason why this line does not say "by the next meeting of t=
he Senate"? While understanding the importance of delegation, I believ=
e that timely information is necessary to allow for review of the decisions=
.<br>
<br>
Finally, I would like to note that I'm not by any means opposed to the =
principle of this bill. I agree that leftover money from our operations sho=
uld go to student groups. I just want to make sure that Senate exercises ca=
ution in doing so, and more time for discussion was necessary to meet this =
aim.<br>
<br>
Thank you,<br>
Ted Hilk<br>
EC Senator<br>
<br>
<br>
<br></div><div><div></div><div>
On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 9:18 PM, Alex Dehnert <<a href=3D"mailto:adehner=
t@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mai=
lto:adehnert@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">adehnert@mit.edu</a>>> wrote:=
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0Since we postponed this a week...<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0If you have questions: Please ask them explicitly. Otherwise, no<br=
>
=A0 =A0guarantee that you'll get an answer... I'm not psychic.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0I'll probably put together some more information shortly, but I=
<br>
=A0 =A0encourage some discussion to happen here besides that.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0~~Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0Alex Dehnert wrote:<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I wrote a bill which is available at<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0<a href=3D"http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/moving-mone=
y/moving-money.pdf" target=3D"_blank">http://web.mit.edu/ua/senate/UAS41/2/=
moving-money/moving-money.pdf</a>.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0The bill authorizes the treasurer to:<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* reallocate funds from a committee to the pool of funds th=
at<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0the Finance Board helps allocate to student groups for the<=
br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0next funding period; and<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* Requires that such reallocations be approved by the<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0committee chair losing said funds; and<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* That the Senate, Finance Board, and affected Chair must b=
e<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0informed of each such reallocation; and<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0* That such authorization shall expire at the end of the<br=
>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A02009=962010 fiscal year unless renewed by Senate.<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0I'm happy to answer any questions that you have. It wou=
ld be<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0awesome if we can get most questions out *before* Senate, s=
o<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0that Senate can be short without being much less effective.=
<br>
<br>
=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0~~Alex<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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__________________________________<br>
Alexandra Jordan<br>
<br>
MIT 2011<br>
Earth, Atmospheric, and Planetary Science<br>
Political Science<br>
<br>
</div></div><a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank">amjordan@=
mit.edu</a> <mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:amjordan@mit.edu" target=3D"_blank=
">amjordan@mit.edu</a>><br>
916.813.7740<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
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