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RE: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Frank Bulk)
Fri Jan 12 10:49:06 2007
Reply-To: <frnkblk@iname.com>
From: "Frank Bulk" <frnkblk@iname.com>
To: "'Gian Constantine'" <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Cc: <kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net>,
"Marshall Eubanks" <tme@multicasttech.com>, <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 09:27:00 -0600
In-Reply-To: <E0186515-7439-441F-B3FF-4F52F790B1A0@corp.earthlink.net>
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Gian:
I ahven't spoken to any of those turnkey providers. Sounds like just the
hardware, plant infrastructure, and transport is turnkey. =)
Getting content rights is a #@#$!. That and the associated price tag is
probably the largest non-technical barrier to IP TV deployments today.
Frank
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From: Gian Constantine [mailto:constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net]
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:24 AM
To: frnkblk@iname.com
Cc: kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net; Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Yes, the NCTC.
I have spoken with two of the vendors you mentioned. Neither have
pass-through licensing rights. I still have to go directly to most of the
content providers to get the proper licensing rights.
There are a few vendors out there who will help a company attain these
rights, but the solution is not turnkey on licensing. To be clear, it is not
turnkey for the major U.S. content providers.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
You mean the NCTC? Yes, they did close their doors for new membership, but
there are regional head ends that represent a larger number of ITCs that
have been able to directly negotiate with the content providers.
And then there's the turnkey vendors: IPTV Americas, SES Americom' IP-PRIME,
and Falcon Communications.
It's not entirely impossible.
Frank
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From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf Of Gian
Constantine
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:47 AM
To: kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net
Cc: Marshall Eubanks; nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
Many of the small carriers, who are doing IPTV in the U.S., have acquired
their content rights through a consortium, which has since closed its doors
to new membership.
I cannot stress this enough: content is the key to a good industry-changing
business model. Broad appeal content will gain broad interest. Broad
interest will change the playing field and compel content providers to
consider alternative consumption/delivery models.
The ILECs are going to do it. They have deep pockets. Look at how quickly
they were able to get franchising laws adjusted to allow them to offer
video.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
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<DIV></DIV>Yes, the NCTC.
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<DIV>On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:14 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">You mean the NCTC?<SPAN=20
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doors for=20
new membership, but</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">there are regional head ends that represent =
a larger=20
number of ITCs that</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">have been able to directly negotiate with =
the content=20
providers. <SPAN class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">And then there's the turnkey vendors: IPTV =
Americas,=20
SES Americom' IP-PRIME,</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">and Falcon Communications.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">It's not entirely impossible.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Frank</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">________________________________</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A=20
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Behalf Of Gian</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Constantine</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 7:47 =
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">To: <A=20
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href=3D"mailto:kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net">kuhtzch@corp.earthlink.net</A>=
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Cc: Marshall Eubanks; <A=20
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down =
2=20
gigabytes a day, continuously?</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Many of the small carriers, who are doing =
IPTV in the=20
U.S., have acquired</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">their content rights through a consortium, =
which has=20
since closed its doors</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">to new membership.<SPAN=20
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I cannot stress this enough: content is the =
key to a=20
good industry-changing</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">business model. Broad appeal content will =
gain broad=20
interest. Broad</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">interest will change the playing field and =
compel=20
content providers to</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">consider alternative consumption/delivery=20
models.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">The ILECs are going to do it. They have =
deep pockets.=20
Look at how quickly</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">they were able to get franchising laws =
adjusted to=20
allow them to offer</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">video.<SPAN=20
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Gian Anthony Constantine</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Senior Network Design Engineer</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Earthlink, Inc.</DIV>
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