[94200] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Michal Krsek)
Fri Jan 12 12:38:57 2007
From: "Michal Krsek" <michal@krsek.cz>
To: <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 18:37:39 +0100
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Dear Gian,
from my perspecitve (central europe) it looks like the linear =
programming is used only in TV/radio channels. But this is only a part =
of the media industry. Cinema, DVD and other forms of content =
distribution aren't linear. I don't like to waste Internet capacity with =
URLs to large VoD community servers.
I don't have enough speaking power to write any strict statements, but I =
think the world of media industry will use every existing channel of =
revenue. The question isn't if, but when. Some people prefer having =
their "eleven button remote", but some want to consume content they had =
chosen at time they had chosen. May be I'm wrong but I don't know =
anybody from teen generation who likes to be TV channel driven (may be =
I'm in a bad country :-)).
Regards
Michal
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Gian Constantine=20
To: frnkblk@iname.com=20
Cc: nanog@merit.edu=20
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 4:26 PM
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, =
continuously?
I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear programming =
is much better for advertisers. I do not think content providers, nor =
consumers, would prefer a VoD only service. A handful of consumers would =
love it, but many would not.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
If we're becoming a VOD world, does multicast play any practical =
role in
video distribution?
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On Behalf =
Of
Michal Krsek
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 AM
To: Marshall Eubanks
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, =
continuously?
Hi Marshall,
- the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
- 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
- the multicast bandwidth usage would be 3% of the unicast.
I'm a bit skeptic for future of channels. For making money from the =
long=20
tail, you have to have to adapt your distribution to user's needs. =
It is not
only format, codec ... but also time frame. You can organise your =
programs=20
in channels, but they will not run simultaneously for all the users. =
I want=20
to control my TV, I don't want to my TV jockey my life.
For the distribution, you as content owner have to help the ISP find =
the=20
right way to distribute your content. In example: having =
distribution center
in Tier1 ISP network will make money from Tier2 ISP connected =
directly to=20
Tier1. Probably, having CDN (your own or pay for service) will be =
the only=20
one way for large scale non synchronous programing.
Regards
Michal
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>Dear Gian,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>from my perspecitve (central europe) it =
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distribution aren't linear. I don't like to waste Internet capacity =
with=20
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<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2>I don't have enough speaking power to =
write any=20
strict statements, but I think the world of media industry will use =
every=20
existing channel of revenue. The question isn't if, but when. Some =
people prefer=20
having their "eleven button remote", but some want to consume =
content they=20
had chosen at time they had chosen. May be I'm wrong but I don't know =
anybody=20
from teen generation who likes to be TV channel driven (may be I'm in a =
bad=20
country :-)).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT> </DIV>
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Regards</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2> =20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, January 12, 2007 =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Network end users =
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down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?</DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=3DArial size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>I am pretty sure we =
are not=20
becoming a VoD world. Linear programming is much better for =
advertisers. I do=20
not think content providers, nor consumers, would prefer a VoD only =
service. A=20
handful of consumers would love it, but many would not.
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<DIV>Gian Anthony Constantine</DIV>
<DIV>Senior Network Design Engineer</DIV>
<DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV>On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">If we're becoming a VOD world, does =
multicast play=20
any practical role in</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Frank</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">-----Original Message-----</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A=20
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On=20
Behalf Of</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Michal Krsek</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 =
AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">To: Marshall Eubanks</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Cc: <A=20
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull =
down 2=20
gigabytes a day, continuously?</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Hi Marshall,</DIV>
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<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">- the largest channel has 1.8% of the=20
audience</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">- 50% of the audience is in the largest =
2700=20
channels</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">- the least watched channel has ~ 10 =
simultaneous=20
viewers</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">- the multicast bandwidth usage would =
be 3% of=20
the unicast.</DIV></BLOCKQUOTE>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">I'm a bit skeptic for future of channels. =
For=20
making money from the long<SPAN=20
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">tail, you have to have to adapt your =
distribution=20
to user's needs. It is not</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">only format, codec ... but also time =
frame. You can=20
organise your programs<SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">in channels, but they will not run =
simultaneously=20
for all the users. I want<SPAN=20
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">to control my TV, I don't want to my TV =
jockey my=20
life.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">For the distribution, you as content =
owner have to=20
help the ISP find the<SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">right way to distribute your content. In =
example:=20
having distribution center</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">in Tier1 ISP network will make money from =
Tier2 ISP=20
connected directly to<SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">Tier1. Probably, having CDN (your own or =
pay for=20
service) will be the only<SPAN=20
class=3DApple-converted-space> </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px">one way for large scale non synchronous=20
programing.</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MIN-HEIGHT: 14px; MARGIN: 0px"><BR></DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN =
class=3DApple-converted-space> =20
</SPAN>Regards</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"MARGIN: 0px"><SPAN =
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</SPAN>Michal</DIV>
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