[94196] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day, continuously?
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Gian Constantine)
Fri Jan 12 10:40:40 2007
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From: Gian Constantine <constantinegi@corp.earthlink.net>
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:26:13 -0500
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I am pretty sure we are not becoming a VoD world. Linear programming
is much better for advertisers. I do not think content providers, nor
consumers, would prefer a VoD only service. A handful of consumers
would love it, but many would not.
Gian Anthony Constantine
Senior Network Design Engineer
Earthlink, Inc.
On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Frank Bulk wrote:
>
> If we're becoming a VOD world, does multicast play any practical
> role in
> video distribution?
>
> Frank
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [mailto:owner-nanog@merit.edu] On
> Behalf Of
> Michal Krsek
> Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 AM
> To: Marshall Eubanks
> Cc: nanog@merit.edu
> Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 gigabytes a day,
> continuously?
>
>
> Hi Marshall,
>
>> - the largest channel has 1.8% of the audience
>> - 50% of the audience is in the largest 2700 channels
>> - the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous viewers
>> - the multicast bandwidth usage would be 3% of the unicast.
>
> I'm a bit skeptic for future of channels. For making money from the
> long
> tail, you have to have to adapt your distribution to user's needs.
> It is not
>
> only format, codec ... but also time frame. You can organise your
> programs
> in channels, but they will not run simultaneously for all the
> users. I want
> to control my TV, I don't want to my TV jockey my life.
>
> For the distribution, you as content owner have to help the ISP
> find the
> right way to distribute your content. In example: having
> distribution center
>
> in Tier1 ISP network will make money from Tier2 ISP connected
> directly to
> Tier1. Probably, having CDN (your own or pay for service) will be
> the only
> one way for large scale non synchronous programing.
>
> Regards
> Michal
>
>
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Engineer</DIV><DIV>Earthlink, Inc.</DIV><BR =
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</DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Jan 12, 2007, at 10:05 AM, Frank Bulk =
wrote:</DIV><BR class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE =
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margin-left: 0px; ">If we're becoming a VOD world, does multicast play =
any practical role in</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: =
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distribution?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Frank</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">-----Original =
Message-----</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">From: owner-nanog@merit.edu [<A =
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On Behalf Of</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Michal Krsek</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 2:28 AM</DIV><DIV =
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margin-left: 0px; ">To: Marshall Eubanks</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Cc: <A =
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">nanog@merit.edu</A></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">Subject: Re: Network end users to pull down 2 =
gigabytes a day, continuously?</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
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margin-left: 0px; ">Hi Marshall,</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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14px; "><BR></DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- the =
largest channel has 1.8% of the audience</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- 50% of =
the audience is in the largest 2700 channels</DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">- the least watched channel has ~ 10 simultaneous =
viewers</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">- the multicast bandwidth usage =
would be 3% of the unicast.</DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; =
min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">I'm a bit =
skeptic for future of channels. For making money from the long<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">tail, =
you have to have to adapt your distribution to user's needs. It is =
not</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">only format, codec ... but also time frame. You can =
organise your programs<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">in =
channels, but they will not run simultaneously for all the users. I =
want<SPAN class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">to control my TV, I don't want to my TV jockey my =
life.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">For the distribution, you as content owner have to =
help the ISP find the<SPAN =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space">=A0</SPAN></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: =
0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">right =
way to distribute your content. In example: having distribution =
center</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; =
margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV =
style=3D"margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; =
margin-left: 0px; ">in Tier1 ISP network will make money from Tier2 ISP =
connected directly to<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">Tier1. =
Probably, having CDN (your own or pay for service) will be the only<SPAN =
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0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; ">one way =
for large scale non synchronous programing.</DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top:=
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min-height: 14px; "><BR></DIV><DIV style=3D"margin-top: 0px; =
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