[87428] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Whatever happened to intelligence in the applicattion [Was: Re: Th
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Fergie)
Fri Dec 16 11:20:23 2005
From: "Fergie" <fergdawg@netzero.net>
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 16:17:26 GMT
To: stephen@sprunk.org
Cc: nanog@merit.edu
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
As I wrote in a later message, that's more along the
lines of what I was talking about. :-)
Cheers,
- ferg
-- "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org> wrote:
> I think you just tossed a red herring into the discussion. :-)
>
> I would suggest that a semi-intelligent playback bufferring scheme
> in the VoIP application, plus a 'semi-lossless' link, would be just
> fine. ;-)
Any competent VoIP application/device developer will use an adaptive jit=
ter =
buffer. It's really not that tough, and most apps/devices have them tod=
ay =
because working products sell better than non-working ones.
My VoIP phone (full disclosure: I work for the vendor) operates just fin=
e at =
home over a DSL line, across four ISPs, through two NATs, and to a gatew=
ay =
in Canada. The voice gets a little choppy when a 10MB powerpoint hits m=
y =
Inbox (sadly, several times per day), but it self-corrects after a coupl=
e =
seconds.
> Doesn't anyone really remember the whole smart-v.-stupid network
> analogy? Not meaning to start a flame war here, but trying to stick
> all of the intelligence back into the network is not exactly a win-win=
> proposal.
I think you'll get further by arguing that intelligent networks with sma=
ll =
pipes cost more to maintain than dumb networks with fat pipes. Less lik=
ely =
to induce sleep in your bean-counters.
S
Stephen Sprunk "God does not play dice." --Albert Einstein
CCIE #3723 "God is an inveterate gambler, and He throws the
K5SSS dice at every possible opportunity." --Stephen Hawking =
