[87427] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Whatever happened to intelligence in the applicattion [Was: Re: The Qos PipeDream]
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Stephen Sprunk)
Fri Dec 16 11:14:47 2005
From: "Stephen Sprunk" <stephen@sprunk.org>
To: "Fergie" <fergdawg@netzero.net>, <swmike@swm.pp.se>
Cc: "North American Noise and Off-topic Gripes" <nanog@merit.edu>
Date: Fri, 16 Dec 2005 10:04:50 -0600
Errors-To: owner-nanog@merit.edu
Thus spake "Fergie" <fergdawg@netzero.net>
> I think you just tossed a red herring into the discussion. :-)
>
> I would suggest that a semi-intelligent playback bufferring scheme
> in the VoIP application, plus a 'semi-lossless' link, would be just
> fine. ;-)
Any competent VoIP application/device developer will use an adaptive jitter
buffer. It's really not that tough, and most apps/devices have them today
because working products sell better than non-working ones.
My VoIP phone (full disclosure: I work for the vendor) operates just fine at
home over a DSL line, across four ISPs, through two NATs, and to a gateway
in Canada. The voice gets a little choppy when a 10MB powerpoint hits my
Inbox (sadly, several times per day), but it self-corrects after a couple
seconds.
> Doesn't anyone really remember the whole smart-v.-stupid network
> analogy? Not meaning to start a flame war here, but trying to stick
> all of the intelligence back into the network is not exactly a win-win
> proposal.
I think you'll get further by arguing that intelligent networks with small
pipes cost more to maintain than dumb networks with fat pipes. Less likely
to induce sleep in your bean-counters.
S
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