[82233] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Alexei Roudnev)
Sat Jul 9 13:43:27 2005
From: "Alexei Roudnev" <alex@relcom.net>
To: "Syed Junaid Farooqi" <syedjunaid@hotpop.com>,
"Christopher L. Morrow" <christopher.morrow@mci.com>
Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@merit.edu>,
"Brad Knowles" <brad@stop.mail-abuse.org>
Date: Sat, 9 Jul 2005 10:42:57 -0700
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LC can hold only 20,000 ACTIVE routes., and ask central system if it needs more., How many ACTIVE routes are used in any
CORE router?
0.1% or CORE? 2% of CORE?
Again, today it is not technical issue anymore.
----- Original Message -----
From: Syed Junaid Farooqi
To: Christopher L. Morrow
Cc: Alexei Roudnev ; NANOG ; Brad Knowles
Sent: Saturday, July 09, 2005 1:02 AM
Subject: Re: OMB: IPv6 by June 2008
Christopher L. Morrow wrote:
randy already asked for a kibosh on the lunacy here... I agree, it'd be
nice, but...
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
You do not need to - any router have only `1 - 10% of all routing table
active, and it is always possible to optimize these alghoritms.
and routing vendor's haven't already done some optomizing you think?
They sure have, let me explain a bit - Optimization here can be is Route table optimization, forwarding table
optimization and the actual forwarding lookup paradigm.
But having the best and most opitmized algorithm makes no difference if there is not enough memory on the Line Card,
having said that - 1G to 2G mem is something that is already supported by a few vendors - on the Line cards and 2G and
above on the Processors (route processor..?)
On the other hand - what's wrong with 4Gb on line card in big core router?
oh, please please name the router vendor that has 4gb of 'ram'
(tcam/fpga/asic-'memory') on the 'linecard'. Oh, can't come up with one?
One wonders why that is? If the solution were as simple as: "Joe, add
1.21jigawatts of memory to the linecard so we can support +1M routes"
Don't you think the vendor would have done this to get people to stop
bitching at them?
Now, now, The RAM mentioned in terms of Gb should not be thought, even inadvertently, to have something to do with
TCAM/fpga/asic -
Memory here can be divided in to 1. forwarding memory , 2. Line card CPU memory, 3. TCAM memory (damn costly stuff )
And as for the number of routes to be support -Right now venodrs do support close to 500K routes - ask me to name the
vendor (notice i did not say Vendors here) and i will be happy to name.But, yes to do something like 1M routes - ahem
mighty tricky stuff aint it, but, does any one have 1M active routes in his table as of today (notice how iam trying to
evade commenting ;) you cant haul me for saying this)
It's cheap enough, even today. And we have not 1,000,000 routes yet.
In YOUR network you don't... I'd venture to guess there are quite a few
very large networks with +1M routes in them today.
remember though, I'm the chemical engineer... and I was trained to MAKE
the crack cocaine...
1M routes, BGP is hope so - and not on a single box i suppose so. come on, 1M + active routes- it sure would be a
killing on the box.
Chemical engineer you say, what a wonderfull world - Iam a pharmacist- fully trained to give an anitdote to cocaine
addicts.
CIAO
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>LC can hold only 20,000 ACTIVE routes., and ask =
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if it needs more., How many ACTIVE routes are used in any CORE=20
router?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>0.1% or CORE? 2% of CORE? </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>Again, today it is not technical issue =
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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<A title=3Dsyedjunaid@hotpop.com =
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Farooqi</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3Dchristopher.morrow@mci.com=20
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<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=3Dalex@relcom.net=20
href=3D"mailto:alex@relcom.net">Alexei Roudnev</A> ; <A =
title=3Dnanog@merit.edu=20
href=3D"mailto:nanog@merit.edu">NANOG</A> ; <A =
title=3Dbrad@stop.mail-abuse.org=20
href=3D"mailto:brad@stop.mail-abuse.org">Brad Knowles</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 09, 2005 =
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AM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: OMB: IPv6 by June =
2008</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Christopher L. Morrow wrote:=20
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3DmidPine.GSO.4.58.0507090608210.13841@parapet.argfrp.us.uu.net=20
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">randy already asked for a kibosh on the =
lunacy here... I agree, it'd be
nice, but...
On Fri, 8 Jul 2005, Alexei Roudnev wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">You do not need to - any =
router have only `1 - 10% of all routing table
active, and it is always possible to optimize these alghoritms.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->
and routing vendor's haven't already done some optomizing you think?
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>They sure have, let me explain a bit - Optimization =
here=20
can be is Route table optimization, forwarding table optimization and =
the=20
actual forwarding lookup paradigm.<BR>But having the best and most =
opitmized=20
algorithm makes no difference if there is not enough memory on the =
Line Card,=20
having said that - 1G to 2G mem is something that is already supported =
by a=20
few vendors - on the Line cards and 2G and above on the =
Processors=20
(route processor..?)<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3DmidPine.GSO.4.58.0507090608210.13841@parapet.argfrp.us.uu.net=20
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">On the other hand - what's =
wrong with 4Gb on line card in big core router?
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->
oh, please please name the router vendor that has 4gb of 'ram'
(tcam/fpga/asic-'memory') on the 'linecard'. Oh, can't come up with one?
One wonders why that is? If the solution were as simple as: "Joe, add
1.21jigawatts of memory to the linecard so we can support +1M routes"
Don't you think the vendor would have done this to get people to stop
bitching at them?
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><BR>Now, now, The RAM mentioned in terms of Gb =
should not=20
be thought, even inadvertently, to have something to do with =
TCAM/fpga/asic=20
-<BR>Memory here can be divided in to 1. forwarding memory , 2. Line =
card CPU=20
memory, 3. TCAM memory (damn costly stuff )<BR><BR>And as for the =
number of=20
routes to be support -Right now venodrs do support close to 500K =
routes - ask=20
me to name the vendor (notice i did not say Vendors here) and i will =
be happy=20
to name.But, yes to do something like 1M routes - ahem mighty tricky =
stuff=20
aint it, but, does any one have 1M active routes in his table as of =
today=20
(notice how iam trying to evade commenting ;) you cant haul me for =
saying=20
this)<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE =
cite=3DmidPine.GSO.4.58.0507090608210.13841@parapet.argfrp.us.uu.net=20
type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D""> </PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type=3D"cite"><PRE wrap=3D"">It's cheap enough, even =
today. And we have not 1,000,000 routes yet.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=3D""><!---->
In YOUR network you don't... I'd venture to guess there are quite a few
very large networks with +1M routes in them today.
remember though, I'm the chemical engineer... and I was trained to MAKE
the crack cocaine...
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE>1M routes, BGP is hope so - and not on a single box =
i=20
suppose so. come on, 1M + active routes- it sure would be a =
killing on=20
the box.<BR><BR>Chemical engineer you say, what a wonderfull =
world - Iam=20
a pharmacist- fully trained to give an anitdote to cocaine=20
addicts.<BR><BR>CIAO <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>
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