[194939] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Vendors spamming NANOG attendees
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Mel Beckman)
Tue Jun 13 11:31:58 2017
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org>
To: Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com>
Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2017 15:31:46 +0000
In-Reply-To: <5005117F-2EA8-44DE-A303-A2005DD2CF7E@centergate.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Rodney,
You said "I see something every couple of months that I can track back to N=
ANOG, or ARIN."
I would hardly call this a flood. But my point is that most people posting =
to NANOG, being technical people, respond to notifications that they are sp=
amming. Your example email illustrates this perfectly. Sometimes they're ig=
norant and don't realize they're spamming. If they're persistent they get r=
emoved from the list (I don't think that has had to happen for several year=
s).
The remaining spammers are easily caught by filters, as you can plainly see=
.
I don't see your need for urgency, and you still haven't said what you prop=
ose as a better arrangement. I made my suggestion. What's yours?
-mel=20
> On Jun 13, 2017, at 8:19 AM, Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com> wrote:
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>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 9:02 AM, Mel Beckman <mel@beckman.org> wrote:
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>> Rodney,
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>> What do you suggest? Shoot them at Dawn? :-)=20
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>> The standard warning and education has always been adequate in the past.=
We don't have a runaway spamming problem on the list.
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> What standard warning and education?
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> We have filters to stop spam making it to the list.
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> But there is definitely a spamming problem of sorts amongst vendors, to s=
ubscriber addresses.=20
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> I see something every couple of months that I can track back to NANOG, or=
ARIN.
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> What I *know* is that if you open the door, and ignore it with vendors on=
NANOG, the list members will end up having a problem. If you want to know =
why I consider myself an expert, feel free to ask me offline about what the=
attitude that those of us who ran "the backbone" in 1994 had - and how tha=
t worked out.
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> On the other hand, as a senior citizen, at the end of my tech days, with =
enable grudgingly given up, I guess I could turn away and say "not my probl=
em, really".
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> YMMV.
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>> -mel beckman
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>>> On Jun 13, 2017, at 6:00 AM, Rodney Joffe <rjoffe@centergate.com> wrote=
:
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>>> It seems that more than just a few of us were spammed by Glenn Stern (g=
stern@calient.net), an employee of Calient following NANOG 70.
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>>> The spammer had the balls to say, in his email:
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>>>> We do not know each other. I'm leveraging the attendee list for NANOG =
to reach out and raise awareness of the value of OCS (Optical Circuit Switc=
hing) in the data center and in particular, the Carrier Neutral Hotel where=
we've been active with next generation MeetMeRoom discussions.
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>>> He does not show as an attendee at NANOG, but another executive, David =
Altstaetter, daltstaetter@calient.net did register, and may have even shown=
up. Hopefully those of you who have traditional community attitudes will s=
how your reaction via your pocketbooks.
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>>> Maybe its time for the NANOG board and staff to step in, and develop so=
me teeth to use in cases like these? Unless the majority of you members are=
cool with unfettered spamming of member and attendee lists. In which case,=
have at it!
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>>> Rodney
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