[186896] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: GPON vs. GEPON
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Jan 8 15:03:13 2016
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 11:52:00 -0800
To: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
Cc: nanog-isp@mail.com, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
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True. I know a number of average users that also do what I am doing, =
however.
Owen
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:42 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
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> You are not the average user.
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> On Jan 8, 2016 1:39 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com =
<mailto:owen@delong.com>> wrote:
> Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
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> I don=E2=80=99t do that=E2=80=A6 I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz =
SSIDs. This allows me to know
> which one I am on and force when desirable (usually forcing 5Ghz is =
desirable).
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> Owen
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>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com =
<mailto:josh@kyneticwifi.com>> wrote:
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>> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and =
simply connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most =
don't pay attention to SNR at all.
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>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net =
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better =
RF performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of =
interference in 2.4.
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>> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen@delong.com>>
>> To: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com =
<mailto:josh@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>, =
nanog-isp@mail.com <mailto:nanog-isp@mail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
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>> > Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that =
most
>> > people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz =
wireless in
>> > the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away - that ends up =
being a
>> > very scalable solution for residential service.
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>> Um=E2=80=A6 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the =
other than 2.4Ghz
>> due (in large part) to this fact=E2=80=A6 Almost every one of my =
neighbors is using
>> various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external SSIDs visible from =
the
>> center of my house using the on-board antenna of an ESP8266 board =
from Adafruit.
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>> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings, =
especially here
>> in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in any home where =
people are
>> smart enough to pay attention to the difference.
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>> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers =
to easily
>> differentiate (it=E2=80=99s all =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cac=E2=80=
=9D now regardless of frequency) and you have
>> to really read the fine print on the side of the box to find a 5Ghz =
capable
>> WAP at your local big box store, most consumers end up on 2.4Ghz =
because those
>> are the least expensive routers on the shelf.
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>> Personally, I don=E2=80=99t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz =
prevalence has more to do
>> with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it does with =
performance.
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>> Owen
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