[186895] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: GPON vs. GEPON
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Jan 8 14:59:34 2016
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From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
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Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 11:52:52 -0800
To: "Chris Adams (IT)" <Chris.Adams@ung.edu>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>, "nanog-isp@mail.com" <nanog-isp@mail.com>
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True, but most households are not using a reputable enterprise wireless =
solution.
Owen
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:46 , Chris Adams (IT) <Chris.Adams@ung.edu> =
wrote:
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> Most reputable enterprise wireless solutions employ band-steering =
which helps to "force" users onto 5ghz, but still allows clients to =
connect to 2.4 if it's the only SSID strong enough or if the client only =
supports 2.4ghz. Band steering largely negates the need to run two SSIDs =
for optimal band selection.
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> Chris
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:39 PM
> To: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
> Cc: nanog-isp@mail.com; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
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> Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
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> I don=E2=80=99t do that=E2=80=A6 I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz =
SSIDs. This allows me to know which one I am on and force when desirable =
(usually forcing 5Ghz is desirable).
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> Owen
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>> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> =
wrote:
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>> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and =
simply connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most =
don't pay attention to SNR at all.
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>> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net =
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
>> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better =
RF performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of =
interference in 2.4.
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>> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen@delong.com>>
>> To: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com=20
>> <mailto:josh@kyneticwifi.com>>
>> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>,=20
>> nanog-isp@mail.com <mailto:nanog-isp@mail.com>
>> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
>> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
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>>> Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that=20=
>>> most people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz=20=
>>> wireless in the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away -=20
>>> that ends up being a very scalable solution for residential service.
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>> Um=E2=80=A6 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the =
other than=20
>> 2.4Ghz due (in large part) to this fact=E2=80=A6 Almost every one of =
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>> neighbors is using various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external=20=
>> SSIDs visible from the center of my house using the on-board antenna =
of an ESP8266 board from Adafruit.
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>> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings,=20
>> especially here in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in=20=
>> any home where people are smart enough to pay attention to the =
difference.
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>> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers =
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>> easily differentiate (it=E2=80=99s all =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D or =
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>> frequency) and you have to really read the fine print on the side of=20=
>> the box to find a 5Ghz capable WAP at your local big box store, most=20=
>> consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because those are the least expensive =
routers on the shelf.
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>> Personally, I don=E2=80=99t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz =
prevalence has=20
>> more to do with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it =
does with performance.
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>> Owen
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