[186898] in North American Network Operators' Group
RE: GPON vs. GEPON
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Chris Adams (IT))
Fri Jan 8 21:17:19 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "Chris Adams (IT)" <Chris.Adams@ung.edu>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>, Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 19:46:37 +0000
In-Reply-To: <65F6DA70-FBC2-4A32-9C71-5DFD3083C336@delong.com>
Cc: NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>, "nanog-isp@mail.com" <nanog-isp@mail.com>
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Most reputable enterprise wireless solutions employ band-steering which =
helps to "force" users onto 5ghz, but still allows clients to connect to =
2.4 if it's the only SSID strong enough or if the client only supports =
2.4ghz. Band steering largely negates the need to run two SSIDs for =
optimal band selection.
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of Owen DeLong
Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 2:39 PM
To: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
Cc: nanog-isp@mail.com; NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
I don=E2=80=99t do that=E2=80=A6 I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz =
SSIDs. This allows me to know which one I am on and force when desirable =
(usually forcing 5Ghz is desirable).
Owen
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
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> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and =
simply connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most =
don't pay attention to SNR at all.
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> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net =
<mailto:nanog@ics-il.net>> wrote:
> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better =
RF performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of =
interference in 2.4.
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> -----
> Mike Hammett
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> Midwest Internet Exchange
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> From: "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen@delong.com>>
> To: "Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com=20
> <mailto:josh@kyneticwifi.com>>
> Cc: "NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org <mailto:nanog@nanog.org>>,=20
> nanog-isp@mail.com <mailto:nanog-isp@mail.com>
> Sent: Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
> Subject: Re: GPON vs. GEPON
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> > Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that=20
> > most people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz=20
> > wireless in the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away -=20
> > that ends up being a very scalable solution for residential service.
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> Um=E2=80=A6 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the =
other than=20
> 2.4Ghz due (in large part) to this fact=E2=80=A6 Almost every one of =
my=20
> neighbors is using various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external=20
> SSIDs visible from the center of my house using the on-board antenna =
of an ESP8266 board from Adafruit.
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> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings,=20
> especially here in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in=20
> any home where people are smart enough to pay attention to the =
difference.
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> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers to =
> easily differentiate (it=E2=80=99s all =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D or =
=E2=80=9Cac=E2=80=9D now regardless of=20
> frequency) and you have to really read the fine print on the side of=20
> the box to find a 5Ghz capable WAP at your local big box store, most=20
> consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because those are the least expensive =
routers on the shelf.
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> Personally, I don=E2=80=99t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz =
prevalence has=20
> more to do with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it =
does with performance.
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> Owen
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