[186894] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: GPON vs. GEPON
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Josh Reynolds)
Fri Jan 8 14:44:59 2016
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In-Reply-To: <65F6DA70-FBC2-4A32-9C71-5DFD3083C336@delong.com>
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2016 13:42:41 -0600
From: Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: nanog-isp@mail.com, NANOG <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
You are not the average user.
On Jan 8, 2016 1:39 PM, "Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> Only if the 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz networks are on the same SSID.
>
> I don=E2=80=99t do that=E2=80=A6 I maintain separate 5Ghz and 2.4Ghz SSID=
s. This allows me
> to know
> which one I am on and force when desirable (usually forcing 5Ghz is
> desirable).
>
> Owen
>
> On Jan 8, 2016, at 11:03 , Josh Reynolds <josh@kyneticwifi.com> wrote:
>
> Customer devices will see the higher signal on the 2.4GHz AP and simply
> connect to that, especially as they roam through the house. Most don't pa=
y
> attention to SNR at all.
> On Jan 8, 2016 12:53 PM, "Mike Hammett" <nanog@ics-il.net> wrote:
>
>> I think that was Josh's point, that 5 GHz will likely deliver better RF
>> performance than 2.4 (despite physics) due to the amount of interference=
in
>> 2.4.
>>
>>
>>
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>> ------------------------------
>> *From: *"Owen DeLong" <owen@delong.com>
>> *To: *"Josh Reynolds" <josh@kyneticwifi.com>
>> *Cc: *"NANOG" <nanog@nanog.org>, nanog-isp@mail.com
>> *Sent: *Friday, January 8, 2016 12:46:37 PM
>> *Subject: *Re: GPON vs. GEPON
>>
>> > Count in oversubscription rates for residential, and consider that mos=
t
>> > people, despite what they say or think, will end up on 2.4GHz wireless
>> in
>> > the home due to 5GHz sucking more than a room away - that ends up bein=
g
>> a
>> > very scalable solution for residential service.
>>
>> Um=E2=80=A6 5GHz works a lot better from one end of my house to the othe=
r than
>> 2.4Ghz
>> due (in large part) to this fact=E2=80=A6 Almost every one of my neighbo=
rs is
>> using
>> various 2.4GHz devices including about 45 external SSIDs visible from th=
e
>> center of my house using the on-board antenna of an ESP8266 board from
>> Adafruit.
>>
>> The noise floor and congestion on 2.4GHz in many urban settings,
>> especially here
>> in Silicon Valley makes 5Ghz a much better option in any home where
>> people are
>> smart enough to pay attention to the difference.
>>
>> OTOH, since the WiFi consortium took away the ability for consumers to
>> easily
>> differentiate (it=E2=80=99s all =E2=80=9Cn=E2=80=9D or =E2=80=9Cac=E2=80=
=9D now regardless of frequency) and you
>> have
>> to really read the fine print on the side of the box to find a 5Ghz
>> capable
>> WAP at your local big box store, most consumers end up on 2.4Ghz because
>> those
>> are the least expensive routers on the shelf.
>>
>> Personally, I don=E2=80=99t mind this, but I think the 2.4Ghz prevalence=
has more
>> to do
>> with consumers not knowing what they are buying than it does with
>> performance.
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>>
>
