[186851] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Survey on Middlebox modeling and troubleshooting
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Zhang, Ying)
Wed Jan 6 21:36:20 2016
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: "Zhang, Ying" <ying.zhang13@hpe.com>
To: Joe Hamelin <joe@nethead.com>
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2016 02:36:15 +0000
In-Reply-To: <CAO0-hXZ1z8TD5yibYP1g_LEh3foib5imNUqdu=s_h1AwvzanWQ@mail.gmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Hi Joe, William and Daniel,
Thank you for your suggestions and raising the concerns. Sorry for spamming=
the list. I thought resending will have it be seen by more people who migh=
t have missed the earlier ones. I fully understand the security concern as =
well. I will be more careful posting to the list next time.
Thanks!
-Ying
On Jan 7, 2016, at 9:47 AM, Joe Hamelin <joe@nethead.com<mailto:joe@nethead=
.com>> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 7:51 PM, Zhang, Ying <ying.zhang13@hpe.com<mailto:yi=
ng.zhang13@hpe.com>> wrote:
> https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/5SFP6G8
One issue that stopped me dead in your monkeysurvey was that you asked how =
many "Middleboxes" I had without telling me what you consider a middlebox. =
Then you go into questions that ask me to delve deep into the whitepapers =
of how they work. I work with a team that supports about 100 international=
locations on a large MPLS network with Palo Alto, Ipanema, Cisco and homeb=
rew virtual machines. For me to even try to answer your questions the way =
you state would require me to schedule meetings with all network stakeholde=
rs from across the globe. Trust me, we have enough meetings already. And I=
'm only on a small network of 30,000 users. I think the problem isn't wha=
t your are trying to learn, it's how you are asking. There is no motivatio=
n for us to answer your survey, there is actually very good security reason=
s why we wouldn't. You don't explain what you are trying to research but a=
sking us to give, gratis, deep inside depth to our deployments. Most of us=
would have serious issues with our employers if we gave out that info.
--
Joe Hamelin, W7COM, Tulalip, WA, +1 (360) 474-7474
