[186543] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Tue Dec 22 13:14:41 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <CAD6AjGShFy8hFadnUScR_cBjGNNazqLW7trL46FZGdD1A8Fgfw@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 10:13:32 -0800
To: Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
Yet until Apple gets to that IPv6-only stage, you=E2=80=99re refusing to =
support IPv6 for those of us
that need it today even while we still need IPv4, too.
Owen
> On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:08 , Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
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> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com =
<mailto:owen@delong.com>> wrote:
> Does this mean you are negligent for not supporting IPv6 on my phone =
on your network?
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> My phone is perfectly capable of IPv6, yet because it doesn=E2=80=99t =
support your particular religion
> about IPv4 translation, you refuse to support IPv6 on it.
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> When is T-Mobile going to fix their IPv6 implementation and stop =
ignoring the #1 market
> leading phone manufacturer?
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> Owen
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> Apple has an ipv6-only plan in the link above. They have committed to =
remove the ipv4 dependent apps from the app store. Once the ipv4-only =
apps are bannished, i dont see any roadblocks for ipv6 on iPhone.=20
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> While you say there is a religious war, i am saying Apple outlined a =
plan for ipv6-only and T-Mobile is likely to follow that plan from =
Apple.=20
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> CB
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> > On Dec 22, 2015, at 04:45 , Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com =
<javascript:;>> wrote:
> >
> > TL;DR version: the data shows you are negligent if your eyeball =
content
> > (cdn, cloud, ...) does not support native ipv6.
> >
> > With the NAT and IPv4 leasing threads lingering on, i figured it was =
time
> > for an update on how the other half live
> >
> > More than 1/3 of North America mobile traffic to the top websites is =
end to
> > end ipv6
> > =
http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffic-=
is-ipv6-and-still-growing/ =
<http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traffic=
-is-ipv6-and-still-growing/>
> >
> > The trend is clearly growing, and as AT&T and Sprint catch up with =
T-Mobile
> > and Verizon, the acceleration to 50% should be easily achieved.
> > Furthermore, only one mobile carrier has iPhone dual-stacked today =
(afaik),
> > but Apple has a plan for banning ipv4-only apps and has delivered =
the
> > required features for having ipv6-only iphones in 2016 with these =
iOS 9.2
> > features
> >
> > =
https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternetWe=
b/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transit=
ion/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html =
<https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternetW=
eb/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transi=
tion/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html>
> >
> > On some mobile providers, ipv6 is already dominant and ipv4 is =
waning. Once
> > iPhones updates to ipv6-only as described above, ipv4 will only be a =
corner
> > case of operations. This comes with added benefit that ipv6 is =
faster :
> >
> > =
https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on-=
board/ =
<https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get-on=
-board/>
> >
> > At least in mobile, the change to ipv6 has been quick and the pace =
is
> > increasing -- not just on ipv6 deployment but also on ipv4 shutdown. =
I know
> > many people liken ipv6 to "the boy who cried wolf", so be it, the
> > data shows the ipv6 wolf is here. Or perhapsin hind sight, we =
will see
> > the right metaphor was "the tortoise and the hare" or "the little =
engine
> > that could"... Or even better IPv4 is John Henry. It was the best =
in its
> > time, but times have changed.
> >
> > CB
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