[186546] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: IPv4 shutdown in mobile
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Andrew Kirch)
Tue Dec 22 14:04:36 2015
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
In-Reply-To: <16AF9DB4-EF95-4419-BD67-A02CDB625B4D@delong.com>
Date: Tue, 22 Dec 2015 14:04:31 -0500
From: Andrew Kirch <trelane@trelane.net>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
Cc: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I wonder if Tmobile realizes that when you sign up for a contract with
them using one of their phones as a wifi hotspot, the address of their
enterprise NAT is what's recorded by their form. They even make you
check a button to accept their lack of security.
Not that that could result in massive fraud or anything. Not that
massive fraud is a problem for Tmobile either come to think of it.
On Tue, Dec 22, 2015 at 1:13 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> Yet until Apple gets to that IPv6-only stage, you=E2=80=99re refusing to =
support IPv6 for those of us
> that need it today even while we still need IPv4, too.
>
> Owen
>
>> On Dec 22, 2015, at 10:08 , Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 22, 2015, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com <mailto:owen=
@delong.com>> wrote:
>> Does this mean you are negligent for not supporting IPv6 on my phone on =
your network?
>>
>> My phone is perfectly capable of IPv6, yet because it doesn=E2=80=99t su=
pport your particular religion
>> about IPv4 translation, you refuse to support IPv6 on it.
>>
>> When is T-Mobile going to fix their IPv6 implementation and stop ignorin=
g the #1 market
>> leading phone manufacturer?
>>
>> Owen
>>
>>
>> Apple has an ipv6-only plan in the link above. They have committed to re=
move the ipv4 dependent apps from the app store. Once the ipv4-only apps ar=
e bannished, i dont see any roadblocks for ipv6 on iPhone.
>>
>> While you say there is a religious war, i am saying Apple outlined a pla=
n for ipv6-only and T-Mobile is likely to follow that plan from Apple.
>>
>> CB
>>
>>
>> > On Dec 22, 2015, at 04:45 , Ca By <cb.list6@gmail.com <javascript:;>> =
wrote:
>> >
>> > TL;DR version: the data shows you are negligent if your eyeball conten=
t
>> > (cdn, cloud, ...) does not support native ipv6.
>> >
>> > With the NAT and IPv4 leasing threads lingering on, i figured it was t=
ime
>> > for an update on how the other half live
>> >
>> > More than 1/3 of North America mobile traffic to the top websites is e=
nd to
>> > end ipv6
>> > http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-more-than-13-us-mobile-traf=
fic-is-ipv6-and-still-growing/ <http://www.worldipv6launch.org/2015-wrapup-=
more-than-13-us-mobile-traffic-is-ipv6-and-still-growing/>
>> >
>> > The trend is clearly growing, and as AT&T and Sprint catch up with T-M=
obile
>> > and Verizon, the acceleration to 50% should be easily achieved.
>> > Furthermore, only one mobile carrier has iPhone dual-stacked today (af=
aik),
>> > but Apple has a plan for banning ipv4-only apps and has delivered the
>> > required features for having ipv6-only iphones in 2016 with these iOS =
9.2
>> > features
>> >
>> > https://developer.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingIntern=
etWeb/Conceptual/NetworkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Tran=
sition/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html <https://develope=
r.apple.com/library/ios/documentation/NetworkingInternetWeb/Conceptual/Netw=
orkingOverview/UnderstandingandPreparingfortheIPv6Transition/Understandinga=
ndPreparingfortheIPv6Transition.html>
>> >
>> > On some mobile providers, ipv6 is already dominant and ipv4 is waning.=
Once
>> > iPhones updates to ipv6-only as described above, ipv4 will only be a c=
orner
>> > case of operations. This comes with added benefit that ipv6 is faster=
:
>> >
>> > https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time-to-get=
-on-board/ <https://code.facebook.com/posts/1192894270727351/ipv6-it-s-time=
-to-get-on-board/>
>> >
>> > At least in mobile, the change to ipv6 has been quick and the pace is
>> > increasing -- not just on ipv6 deployment but also on ipv4 shutdown. I=
know
>> > many people liken ipv6 to "the boy who cried wolf", so be it, the
>> > data shows the ipv6 wolf is here. Or perhapsin hind sight, we will =
see
>> > the right metaphor was "the tortoise and the hare" or "the little engi=
ne
>> > that could"... Or even better IPv4 is John Henry. It was the best in =
its
>> > time, but times have changed.
>> >
>> > CB
>>
>
