[172525] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (JF Tremblay)
Fri Jun 20 17:30:21 2014
X-Original-To: nanog@nanog.org
From: JF Tremblay <jean-francois.tremblay@viagenie.ca>
In-Reply-To: <0B5F40F8-E260-4527-8110-D1A12A47DA4E@delong.com>
Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2014 16:45:28 -0400
To: "nanog@nanog.org" <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces@nanog.org
I concur with Owen here.
6RD is a band-aid, but a pretty effective one to introduce IPv6 to the =
staff and management in your organization. When you get to native =
deployment, your engineering and ops staff no longer freak out when they =
see some IPv6 config. They can even debug ISIS and the IPv6 RR without =
calling you in the middle of the night!=20
On the management side, they actually see IPv6 traffic in the nice =
monthly graphs, so they=92ll remember to put it in the next RFP and even =
not to cut it from the next budget, if you=92re lucky.=20
And 6RD performance is quite good when implemented properly (2-3% hit on =
bandwidth, 1 ms in latency). What hurts are CPEs with bad =
implementations (bad option 212 implementation or no MTU reduction).=20
/JF
On Jun 20, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com> wrote:
> The point is that you can offer IPv6 to a lot of people using various =
instatntiations of 100.64.0.0/10 but using globally unique IPv6 =
addresses providing them full true internet access without NAT.
>=20
> Yes, 6rd is a stopgap, but 6rd stopgap is better than multi-natted =
IPv4 only.
>=20
> Owen
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> On Jun 20, 2014, at 07:22 , Gabriel Blanchard <gabe@teksavvy.com> =
wrote:
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>> 6rd is in my opinion a band-aid solution, I don't see the point of =
offering IPv6 if it requires IPv4. native IPv6 should be offered where =
possible.
>>=20
>> We offer native IPv6 to all our DSL customers but only on an opt-in =
basis, we're although unfortunately unable to offer IPv6 over Cable =
since we still depend on a certain incumbent...
>>=20
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: NANOG [mailto:nanog-bounces@nanog.org] On Behalf Of =
Jean-Francois.Dube@videotron.com
>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2014 10:13 AM
>> To: lists@sadiqs.com
>> Cc: nanog@nanog.org; NANOG
>> Subject: RE: Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion)
>>=20
>> Videotron (AS5769) is offering 6RD (RFC5969) to all residential =
customers, if their gear supports it. (DHCP option 212)
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>> (But our MGMT still calls it beta for now.)
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>> JF
>>=20
>> Jean-Fran=E7ois Dub=E9
>> Technicien, Op=E9rations R=E9seau IP
>> Ing=E9nierie Exploitation des R=E9seaux
>> Vid=E9otron
>>=20
>> "NANOG" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org> a =E9crit sur 2014-06-18 20:16:01 :
>>=20
>>> De : Sadiq Saif <lists@sadiqs.com>
>>> A : nanog@nanog.org,
>>> Date : 2014-06-19 12:43
>>> Objet : Canada and IPv6 (was: Ars Technica on IPv4 exhaustion) =
Envoy=E9=20
>>> par : "NANOG" <nanog-bounces@nanog.org>
>>>=20
>>> On 6/18/2014 14:25, Lee Howard wrote:
>>>> Canada is way behind, just 0.4% deployment.
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>>> Any Canadian ISP folk in here want to shine a light on this dearth =
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>>> residential IPv6 connectivity?
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>>> Is there any progress being made on this front?
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>>> --
>>> Sadiq Saif
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