[170502] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Mar 28 09:28:08 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <alpine.OSX.2.02.1403280823550.6633@brugal.local>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:22:32 -0700
To: Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:27 AM, Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Owen DeLong wrote:
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>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com> wrote:
>>=20
>>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>>=20
>>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> =
wrote:
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>>>> Please explain in detail where the fraud potential comes in.
>>>=20
>>> Spammer uses his botnet of zombie machines to send email from each =
of them to his own domain using the user's legitimate email address as =
From:. Spammer says it was unsolicited and keeps the full $.10/email =
that victim users have deposited into this escrow thing.
>>>=20
>>> Sounds a lot more profitable than regular spam.
>>=20
>> You say this like having a tax on running a botted computer on the =
internet would be a bad thing.
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> Heh, perhaps not...
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>> I agree that it would provide a bit of profit to the spammers for a =
very short period of time, but I bet it would get a lot of bots fixed =
pretty quick.
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> I don't think so. The motivations to continue to game the system are =
much stronger under this scheme because the profits are immediate and =
direct. A spammer no longer has to just hope that the advertising, =
phishing or whatever they are up to is acted upon by the user, instead =
they get a somewhat immediate cash payout that's not dependent on the =
user.
This assumes a different economic model of SPAM that I have been lead to =
believe exists.
My understanding is that the people sending the SPAM get paid =
immediately and that the people paying them to send it are the ones =
hoping that the advertising/phishing/etc. are acted on.
Owen
