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Re: why IPv6 isn't ready for prime time, SMTP edition

daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Brandon Ross)
Fri Mar 28 08:28:01 2014

Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 08:27:30 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com>
To: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <AD94916A-B6DD-4A15-88BF-FDC813C38F9B@delong.com>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org

On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Owen DeLong wrote:

> On Mar 27, 2014, at 1:38 PM, Brandon Ross <bross@pobox.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Mar 2014, Owen DeLong wrote:
>>
>>> On Mar 27, 2014, at 11:15 AM, Barry Shein <bzs@world.std.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Please explain in detail where the fraud potential comes in.
>>
>> Spammer uses his botnet of zombie machines to send email from each of them to his own domain using the user's legitimate email address as From:. Spammer says it was unsolicited and keeps the full $.10/email that victim users have deposited into this escrow thing.
>>
>> Sounds a lot more profitable than regular spam.
>
> You say this like having a tax on running a botted computer on the 
> internet would be a bad thing.

Heh, perhaps not...

> I agree that it would provide a bit of profit to the spammers for a very 
> short period of time, but I bet it would get a lot of bots fixed pretty 
> quick.

I don't think so.  The motivations to continue to game the system are much 
stronger under this scheme because the profits are immediate and direct. 
A spammer no longer has to just hope that the advertising, phishing or 
whatever they are up to is acted upon by the user, instead they get a 
somewhat immediate cash payout that's not dependent on the user.

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