[170503] in North American Network Operators' Group
Re: ARIN board accountability to network operators (was: RE:
daemon@ATHENA.MIT.EDU (Owen DeLong)
Fri Mar 28 09:32:09 2014
From: Owen DeLong <owen@delong.com>
In-Reply-To: <4D5D8453-B562-4AA4-B22C-9FF93418E829@steffann.nl>
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2014 06:26:06 -0700
To: Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl>
Cc: NANOG list <nanog@nanog.org>, John Curran <jcurran@arin.net>
Errors-To: nanog-bounces+nanog.discuss=bloom-picayune.mit.edu@nanog.org
On Mar 28, 2014, at 5:58 AM, Sander Steffann <sander@steffann.nl> wrote:
> Hi Owen,
>=20
>> I, for one, would not want to start having to pay RIPE-level fees.
>>=20
>> ARIN fees are a much better deal than RIPE fees.
>=20
> Only up to Small... The RIPE NCC membership fee is =801750 (=B1$2400 =
currently) for everybody. The ARIN fees are between $500 and $32000, =
with category Small at $2000 and Medium at $4000. I personally am glad =
about this (although in ARIN I would probably be Small) because it =
doesn't give operators any financial incentive to stingy when giving =
their customers IPv6 prefixes.
>=20
> If you want to give a million customers a /48 it is not going to cost =
you more then giving them a /60. IPv6 resources are not such a scarce =
resource compared to IPv4, so differentiating price based on the amount =
of integers you need doesn't make much sense in the current world =
anymore :)
>=20
> But: this is all RIPE NCC members/AGM stuff, independent of the RIPE =
community and its working groups. (well the RIPE NCC facilitates the =
RIPE meetings (note: RIPE meeting, not RIPE NCC meeting) and without the =
help of the NCC the RIPE community wouldn't have such well organised =
meetings. The NCC only facilitates though, it doesn't control or =
influence the RIPE working groups) and the structure of the RIPE working =
groups was what Randy was referring to.
Compare and contrast the costs of being a PI holding end-user in the =
RIPE region to those in the ARIN region and the difference becomes much =
more noticeable.
Owen
